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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Jay on December 04, 2006, 06:39:58 PM
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Recently acquired in a 'job lot' there are a couple of items that we just can't place. Perhaps our friends on GMB can offer a tip?
The sculpted vase in light blue is attractive but a bit 'literal' for Dutch taste ;-)
The iris dish is 25cm wide and seems to be good quality pressed glass with a satin finish on the design which results in a clearly defined 'engraved' effect.
www.hogelandshoeve.nl/index66.html
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Hi Jay, cant say who this is but there is something similar on ebay, and they say it has some kind of mark? item number 290057659002, seller dreamsofgold 2006, sorry cant post link,
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Perhaps Glen may know as it looks similar to the "Jain" vases?
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Your iris is definitely an iris. Maybe Marinka can help with the hand
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TC is correct that the Hand vase is very similar to the Jain (Indian) Hand vases - but I think a number of other companies made them (including Fenton). I don't think Jay's "Hand" is Indian.
The "torch" is often a cornucopia - horn of plenty.
Wish I could add more.
Glen
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the torch is modeled after miss liberty (1886). Most vases are French or American. I believe they were popular until approx WW1 - perhaps later.
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Hi,
My Fenton books says that Fenton modeled their "hand vase, no mention of liberty) after an antique English version, but they don't mention the maker of that English version. *%$#&(*&^!!! when they do that :-) I have seen many opaque versions generically listed as Bristol Glass on ebay too, so maybe that's what they are talking about. --- Mike
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Hi Jay,
I have 5 of this type of hand vase in my collection of over 80 hand vases.
Mine are a light "Depression" pink, a deep cerulean blue, & clear.
I also have a smaller version of the same mould in frosted pale green, & I have seen them in amber, clear frosted,cobalt blue,& pink frosted as well.
As I have so many different hand vases, I am familiar with the many variations in moulds used to make them. The original Victorian ones tend to be in opaque milk glass, usually white or turquoise, sometimes with painted decorations. Manufacturers were in France, Bohemia, U.S.A & England.
Hand vases enjoyed a revival of popularity during the 20th century, & the old moulds were reused. The later pressings are less crisp.
As for Fenton, they have made a variety of hand vases, both pressed & mould blown, on a regular basis over their 100 years of manufacturing art glass inspired by Victorian styles.
I think personally that the story of these vases being anything to do with the Statue of Liberty is a furphy- they were being made before the Statue of Liberty was even conceived of, in fact there was a pressed glass hand vase patented by John Derbyshire in 1874, two years before the Statue of Liberty was first given to the U.S by France, & 12 years before it was dedicated in 1886.
I think hand vases were first made in porcelain, particularly in Parian ware, by British manufacturers such as Worcester & Minton.
I have seen a very old Chinese vase that depicts a hand holding a fish, so perhaps this may have been an inspiration to the British porcelain designers. Of course, the conucopia, or horn of plenty is an ancient symbol of abundance from Greek mythology. These symbols of the Classical world were also inspirational to Victorian designers.
The hand as a symbol in Victorian design occured not only in vases, but also in many other items such as dishes & jewellerly. There is something both quaint & macabre about these hand items, which captures the Victorian sensibility perfectly- sentimental, yet a little bit gruesome!
Now, back to your vase, Jay. I actually feel that this particular vase is not very old, certainly not Victorian anyway. As I have mentioned, this type of hand vase occurs in a variety of "Depression" style colours & lacks the delicacy of the Victorian ones, which tend to be in opaque glass. One of these vases I have in my possession was purchased in Vietnam by the dealer I bought it from, & I feel that an Asian origin, & fairly recent date of manufacture is likely.
I hope this has been helpful! :)
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... were being made before the Statue of Liberty was even conceived of, in fact there was a pressed glass hand vase patented by John Derbyshire in 1874, two years before the Statue of Liberty was first given to the U.S by France, & 12 years before it was dedicated in 1886.
the date absolutely ties in with the history of the statue; Bartholdi worked for many years on the design which was first presented in 1874. It was not until 1884 that a large version of the statue (the smaller one is in Paris) was shipped to the US, where it was assembled and commissioned in 1886.
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Hmmm.... It's interesting speculation to say the least and maybe these vases were inspired by the Statue of Liberty or the hand and torch used on the statue were inspired by something older. I mean; Bartholdi is known for designing the Statue of Liberty, but were all of his ideas were original and not inspired by something else. Also; isn't there a Greek or Roman Statue of Nike with a torch in hand like that? I seem to remember that from somewhere. I also have to wonder why no early or later makers of these vases made an exact copy of the Statue of Liberty's hand and torch if that was where the idea came from. Other than some cheapie souvenir shop items from New York City I have never seen a nicely made hand vase that matches the hand and torch of the Statue of Liberty. --- Mike
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S of L was based on the Roman Goddess Libertas, so not wildly original. But the period was one where there was always interest in the ancient world and modern interpretaions of it abound. That the interpretations might have been loose, is also not uncommon as each designer injected their own ideas to make it unique. As each item was brought to attention so the public interest would generate the souvenir replica's. Cleopatra's Needle is another example. The connection to the glass design is one I have heard often in Europe so it has the ring of truth more than speculation... but I do not know of any documentary support. Yet there should be something.
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I have only seen one type of hand vase, in fact it is more likely a toothpick holder, made in pressed glass, that remotely looks like the S. of L.
I do not have one in my collection but it is pictured in the book "Victorian Glass Novelties" by Jo & Bob Sandford. It actually looks like a hand holding a flaming torch.
Hand objects were very popular in Victorian times, & many variations on the theme were made. In porcelain, there were hands holding seashells, sheaves of wheat, pineapples, (a Minton design) fans, & so forth.
Worcester made a well-known hand vase known as "Mrs. Hadley's hand" designed by James Hadley, supposedly modelled after his wife's hand.
There were many brooches featuring hands holding bouquets or fans, & rings made in the form of clasped hands.
Brass letter clips were made in the form of a lady's hand, also.
In glass, the trumpet or cornucopia shape vase tends to be the predominate design, but there are also hands holding bottles, fans,(used for pin dishes & toothpick holders), cups, & sheaves of wheat.
There are also glass bottles or decanters shaped like hands holding guns & daggers. These are either marked either "Depose" or "Geschutzt"- patented.
I believe that there may have been some items directly inspired by the S. of L. but the design is too widespread for all hand items to be directly related to it. The hand, nearly always an elegantly lady-like one, featuring a lacy cuff, was a typical Victorian motif, a throwback to Classical symbolism updated to suit the fashions of the day. It has sentimental allusions, which fit in perfectly with the Victorian sensiblity.
I have even seen a Victorian wax severed hand under a dome, accompanying a typical display of wax fruit & flowers!
Following is a photo of part of my collection of hand vases. There are vases from the Victorian era to recent (1990s) ones by Fenton.
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Here is a photo of part of my hand vase collection.
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/normal_hand-collection.jpg)
There are mostly Victorian ones here, with a few recent Fenton ones, a few Jain carnival ones & a few other ones I believe to be 20th C. reworkings of Victorian moulds.
Top shelf centre is one of the hand holding a gun bottles.
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Wow! That photo is the ultimate reply!
Thanks everyone, for your help.
What with my own dislike of the thing and the likely background now provided...it has now got a 'low,low' price on it and I hope it will be leaving me shortly!
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Top shelf centre is one of the hand holding a gun bottles.
Definitely not the Statue if Liberty... but was there not a legend about a gunslinger called Liberty (Very Café, I know)
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Wow! heartofglass,
That is some collection of those hand-vases, nice job! --- Mike
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Hi Mike,
glad you enjoyed the pic! :)
And this isn't all of them either! ;D
B.T.W it's good to be back, I couldn't access the board for around a week.....having withdrawal symptoms. :(