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Title: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: glasschalice on January 27, 2007, 06:58:00 PM

Hi everyone!

I'm new to this forum and am glad to have found it! 

I have three patterns that I have been researching.  I've been told that they may be British, Canadian, French or German.  Boy that narrows it down doesn't it!!!  I've put together a page with all of the info that I have found so far.  I do not agree with Edward's statement about it being Sabino.

Any help would be great!!

http://www.glassresearch.net/custom_page.php?pageid=37

Thanks,

Cheryl Webber
glassresearch.net

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: Tigerchips on January 27, 2007, 08:03:53 PM

I think it looks like a Fenne 'Ewald' Pattern.

Some pictures from Pamela's lovely site
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/01199.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/01198.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/01197.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/03232.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/03233.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/03234.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/schalen/03235.html

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/03230.html
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/03231.html

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: pamela on January 27, 2007, 08:43:39 PM

Hi Cheryl, welcome to GMB!
Anthony, I think, is right. Pattern # 2 is no doubt Fenne, Saarland - I dare to judge that because of the undoubtedly Fenne base with its square pattern. Other pictures from your items take a little longer to count out I'm afraid  ;) At first sight: I do miss the 'absolutely Fenne leaves' but perhaps you did not photograph them, these are the easiest way to attribute  :)

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: pamela on January 27, 2007, 08:48:57 PM

Having had another look at your photos, I'd like to deny pattern 1 and pattern 3 to be Ewald by Fenne.
Where are you situated, Cheryl? (sometimes this information is helpful too ;D )

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: glasschalice on January 27, 2007, 09:15:04 PM

I have been looking for info on these patterns for months!!  I can't believe you guys knew of something similar!!  That is so cool.  I'm in the US.  So far I have located two actual pieces.  One is in Canada and the other is here in the States.  I'm purchasing the goblet... and the other one won't be available for sale until it gets ID'd.  I'm going to try to end up with that one also.

Is Ewald a German company?

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: glasschalice on January 27, 2007, 09:16:21 PM

Oh... whoops.. It looks like Fenne is the company name and Ewald is a pattern name?

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: pamela on January 27, 2007, 09:45:21 PM

Yes Cheryl, the pattern # 2 is EWALD, produced by the glasshut 'Fenne' situated in Saarland of Westgermany, quite close to the boarder to France. This pattern appeared in their catalogues first during the years of 1903-1909, but I guess it was produced for many decades as being very successful. Never mind the age: the mould is older than 100 years!

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: pamela on January 27, 2007, 09:49:04 PM

Cheryl, pleeeeease try some more photos, also close-ups of pattern 1 and 3 - I would be delighted to see  :D

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: glasschalice on January 27, 2007, 11:38:42 PM

Pamela,

The photos on my site can be clicked on to get a larger image... are they still too far away?  The photos of Casbah are from a book I have.  I don't have any pieces in that pattern.  The goblet and compote in Pattern #1 are owned by other people.  As is the Ewald bowl.  If you need closer photos of the pattern #1 I might be able to get the owners to take a few more.

Thank you so much for all your help!!!

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: glasschalice on January 28, 2007, 09:50:33 AM

I just heard back from one of the German glass authorities that I wrote to.  He confirms that Pattern #2 is "Ewald" by Fenner Hutte.  AND!!!  He says that Pattern #3 known as "Casbah" is also a Fenner Hutte product and the correct pattern name is "Rokoko"!!  He also says that he is about to receive an original 1906 catalog from this company and will let me know as soon as he has scans available from it.  He said that he would expect that Pattern #1 is ALSO by the same company and will more than likely be in the catalog he is expecting!  This is so exciting! 

Pamela... How does "Fenne" compare with "Fenner Hutte" ??  (There's supposed to be an umlaut (sp?) but I don't think my keyboard handles those!)

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: pamela on January 28, 2007, 08:25:13 PM

Cheryl please can you explain 'German Glass Authorities' as indicated ;D

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: pamela on January 28, 2007, 08:27:57 PM

Cheryl, right you are!
hut is huette or Hütte in German bearing the umlaut ue

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: glasschalice on January 28, 2007, 09:47:10 PM

Pamela,

Please forgive me... I'm still lost on the Fenne vs. Fenner Hutte terminology. 

Title: Re: Trying to identify these three glass patterns
Post by: Frank on January 30, 2007, 06:35:00 PM

The company is covered with all the, several, ins and outs of its names in "Glass fact-file", Haanstra. The company has the R on the end the location is without the R.