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Glass Discussion & Research. NO IDENTIFICATION REQUESTS here please. => British & Irish Glass => Topic started by: Pinkspoons on January 28, 2007, 11:03:22 AM
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I thought not, but then I saw this site with £65's worth of Ravenhead glasses marked as sold! :o
Fragile Design (http://www.fragiledesign.com/glassShowcase.html)
Isn't this just carboot & charity shop fodder, or am I missing something? I hope I am, because I've 4 different sets of Ravenhead still in their original boxes lurking somewhere... ;D
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ooh Nic you snob! Ravenhead glasses look pretty upmarket and desirable compared to some of the tat that regularly sells on eBay - admittedly it's not Holmegaard but it does have a place and, believe it or not, a collector's market.
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Don't get me wrong - I like some Ravenhead, which is why I have a few boxed sets tucked away. I think their Apollo range is incredibly under-rated! :)
I was just questioning the disparity between the sale price and the fact that these glasses are to be found for about £2.50 in 9/10 UK charity shops.
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People used to ask that about Baxter's glass, some still do.
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.. and Chance. Oh, hang on, they still do! ;D
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;D :o
I'm surprised about the ones on the site you show - that's a really common pattern, you can't get out of charity shops for tripping over it. fiesta/siesta?
I agree about Anette Meech's Apollo - it's wonderful. I got my first set from Boots, way back in the late '70's. It cost £3.45. ;D
I'm currently trying to get together a full set of big ones, but they are not easy to come by. The wee ones are easier, often in their boxes. I have been on the lookout for them for years
I also like the Nevada mould blown glasses, and I use them all the time.
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The £30 set is Siesta (23cl), but the £35 set is from another range, I think, as it doesn't appear on the list of sizes on the Siesta box I have. Unless it was an earlier/later addition/excision to the range.
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Personally, I can't stand Siesta - maybe something to do with my parents having a set way after they stopped being fashionable! And £30-35 is way out of line with what they sell for on e-bay (if they sell at all).
But you all know about my passion for the screen-printed tumblers (even if they're not worth much - yet? ;)), and other ranges such as Five Star (1968) and Vista (c1970) won Design Council awards in their time...
I think the £35 set may have been a later addition to the range, Nic. According to Lesley Jackson's C20th Factory Glass, Siesta was designed by Alexander Hardie Williamson in 1973 (the year before he retired) and added to by John Clappison in the later 1970s.
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I don't much like Siesta either, but I bought a few boxed sets for £1 on the off-chance that they do, one day, become collectable. ;D
Thanks for the production info, though - it will be very useful when it comes around to selling them, or rather attempting to sell them!
Does the book mention the production years for the Apollo range, by any chance?
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Just because there is a price on the website and it is marked sold, doesn't mean they sold at that price ;)
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Unless they reduced the price by about 90%, then they still sold for a lot more than their general current value! ;D
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No production dates for Apollo, but designed in 1974 - Meech was employed as a design consultant from 1972 - 1984. She was also responsible for two other ranges:
the Rosy tumblers, moulded with a rosette in the foot, and the Solar bowls and tumblers, spiral-twisted up to the waist.
Don't know how successful they were on the sales floor though - I haven't come across either so far.
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Thanks for that - very useful information.
I've not come across the other two ranges either.
Just occured to me to look through McConnell's C20 Glass, and he has Siesta priced at £20 boxed...
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Worth mentioning that Heidi's site, when up-and-running, will attempt to put some order into the Sherley/Ravenhead ranges.
http://www.sherdley-ravenhead.com :)
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And that I'll be in the market for pictures, particularly of the non-screen-printed ranges - I don't have the space to start collecting them too. Goes without saying that any pics will be fully credited, of course.
McConnell also has the screen-printed tumblers priced at £5-10 - I wish! Unless that's per set, which would be more realistic in my experience.
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I can do photographs of Siesta and Apollo with original boxes, if you want?
Look forward to seeing the site when it's up and running.
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Great - yes, please! If you can get a shot of the list of Siesta sizes, that'd be really great too. And let me know what name you want in the credit. You can e-mail to me at heidi dot minshall at btinternet dot com.
David - any technical specs Nic should be aware of?
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David - any technical specs Nic should be aware of?
Nope, just nice looking ;) 8)
Heidi, your e-mail address is shown in the 'mail' icon on the left - no need to quote.
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I think I can cope with nice looking as a criteria. ;D
The Apollo packaging, if I remember correctly, has a size list too. I'll have the snaps to you as soon as I get change to dig everything out (I've only one box of Siesta to hand).
Edit: I found a snapshot of the Apollo packaging lurking on my hard-drive, but don't worry - I'll get a better detailed one done, as this one was a quickie for my own reference purposes.
Apollo & Packaging (http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/pinkspoons/apollo-1.jpg)
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Gosh, are those Apollo? I have two sets of these in two different sizes I use as my everyday chuck around glasses.....
::)
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Heidi, do you gave a picture of the Solar range? I have an unidentified small dish that has a twist as you describe, so I wonder if it's Solar? It was just an odd one I bought for a purpose and then it wasn't any use, so it's still lurking in the cupboard. ::) I also have a set of White Fire dishes (which I'm not keen on) which moved in with Barry, as well as the Sherdley stuff you already know about.
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They're not particularly rare or valuable - they're meant to be chuck around glass. ;D
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No, Anne, no picture of Solar, just the brief reference I quoted from C20th Factory Glass. I could probably e-mail Annette Meech herself, as she has a website for her current studio in France. But I'm more likely to get a positive response if I wait until the website is a bit more advanced.
Does Barry have a camera? ;)
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They're not particularly rare or valuable - they're meant to be chuck around glass. ;D
Thassallright then. Phew!
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No, Anne, no picture of Solar, just the brief reference I quoted from C20th Factory Glass. I could probably e-mail Annette Meech herself, as she has a website for her current studio in France. But I'm more likely to get a positive response if I wait until the website is a bit more advanced.
Does Barry have a camera? ;)
I think there may be one kicking around here somewhere Heidi! ;) I'll add it to the list of things to be photographed as soon as I've a few spare minutes. ;D
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Great photo, many thanks Nic! 8)
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If you keep chucking your Apollos around, they will become more rare.
They are nice glasses to use. I reckon they don't turn up in charity shops much because folk use and like them. The only problem is the puddle of water that collects in the base in the dishwasher.
When I bought mine, in '77, they were the glasses I was buying for my first flat on my own. Money was tight, but I needed a compromise between economy and style.
I have been accumulating various mould-blown glasses/tumblers (but not s/feista - or the other one you keep tripping over in charity shops, (fruit sets, still boxed, never used, wonder why - not!) one that looks as if it's got flames going up it. White Fire?
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If you keep chucking your Apollos around, they will become more rare.
They are nice glasses to use. I reckon they don't turn up in charity shops much because folk use and like them. The only problem is the puddle of water that collects in the base in the dishwasher.
When I bought mine, in '77, they were the glasses I was buying for my first flat on my own. Money was tight, but I needed a compromise between economy and style.
We have these as well - we have some of our own that we use because they're virtually indestructable. We also have a few boxed sets kicking around waiting to be photographed and put up for sale in my shop. However, I laughed at your comment regarding putting them in the dishwasher - my hubby goes crazy ape if I do that - he treats them like the best crystal and handwashes them only ::)
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.... I laughed at your comment regarding putting them in the dishwasher - my hubby goes crazy ape if I do that - he treats them like the best crystal and handwashes them only ::)
I don;t have a dishwasher, hubby reckons they are not good for the environment, so we wash everything by hand .... ::) ::)
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I had large and small Apollos for a wedding present in 1977, the large ones were all used out of existence, the small ones were charity shopped 20 years later along with the well-used Sierra dishes and the as-new White Fire dishes given for the same occasion
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McConnell also has the screen-printed tumblers priced at £5-10 - I wish! Unless that's per set, which would be more realistic in my experience.
Why-oh-why-oh-why did I write that? Since then, I've been jinxed - outbid three times on sets fetching up to £22... >:(
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Blips like this always seem to occur immediately after a book is published, particularly the DK and Miller's 'Collectables'.
But the prices should never be taken as read. Trends and market forces make such a difference it's impossible to forecast accurately.
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No, Anne, no picture of Solar, just the brief reference I quoted from C20th Factory Glass.
Does Barry have a camera? ;)
Heidi, I've managed to get camera and bowl into same physical space! This is the one I wondered about being Solar?
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4868
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4867
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Nice design. It certainly fits the description, doesn't it?
BTW, would it be worth moving this thread to one of the other forums? There's quite a lot of info here that it might be useful to refer back to.
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Good idea of Heidi's to suggest moving this as there is a lot of useful info coming into this thread.
Perhaps a definitely ID'd picture or piece of Solar will turn up sometime Heidi. Meanwhile, I'll leave my bowl pics in GlassGallery as a cross-reference.
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I can now confirm (with a somewhat red-face!) that my mystery bowl suggested as Solar is indeed Solar! And how do I know? Because I found I have a reference pic saved from a long-gone sale of a set of Solar tumblers in a box which are clearly the same pattern as my bowl... doh!
Just to link the name and the pattern, this is Solar....
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4868
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4867
:D
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Just spotted another Ravenhead pattern I've not seen before... it's called Iceberg... and there's an 18 piece boxed set on eBay (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260086614395)
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Found yesterday a set of 6 large Apollo glasses for the sum of £1.50 - happy I am. :) I may lose them to my son though, as they are practically impossible to knock over.
Nic, did you ever manage to copy the list of sizes for this range off your box please?
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I've photographed all of my Ravenhead bits and bobs, I'll upload 'em here for posterity. ;D
Apollo:
Apollo Range (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/apollo-range.jpg)
Apollo Box (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/14cl_apollo-box.jpg)
14cl Apollo. H = 75mm, D = 60mm (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/14cl_apollo.jpg)
Tubbies:
Tubbies Range (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/tubbies-range.jpg)
Tubbies Box (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/8oz_tubbies_box.jpg)
8oz Tubbies Storage Jars. H = 75mm (with cork) / 65mm (without), D = 90mm (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/8oz_tubbies.jpg)
Siesta:
Siesta Range (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/siesta-range.jpg)
Early 26cl Siesta Box (Patent Pending) (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/26cl_siesta_box_earlier.jpg)
Later 26cl Siesta Box (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/26cl_siesta_box_later.jpg)
26cl Siesta. H = 75mm, D = 75mm (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/26cl_siesta.jpg)
14cl Siesta. H = 85mm, D = 65mm (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/14cl_siesta.jpg)
(The box for the 14cl Siesta is identical to the later 26cl Siesta, just scaled differently)
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Thanks Nic, that's brilliant. Mine are the largest Apollo's - 34cl, or half a bottle of cider! >:D
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I've got the Apollo glasses boxed in the 7cl and the 23cl sizes but I've got the 34cl ones like Anne's for personal use - they're brilliant I really like them.
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Nic that's a very useful set of pics...but isn't the 14cl one you show in the Siesta range actually Siesta not Apollo as marked, and the 14cl Siesta actually an Apollo - i.e. in the right group, but with the wrong name?
I'm get confused very easily you know..... :huh:
Anne, can this be archived for posterity?
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Right you are, Lynne - if some kindly moderator could swap the names/measurements around for those two images I'd be very grateful. ;D
My brain still isn't running at full capacity - that's my excuse, and I'm sticking to it! :mus:
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Lynne, well-spotted, thank you. :) Nic, amended as requested. Hope your feeling better soon. :hug:
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Apollo:
Apollo Range (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/apollo-range.jpg)
Apollo Box (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/14cl_apollo-box.jpg)
14cl Apollo. H = 75mm, D = 60mm (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/14cl_apollo.jpg)
New addition:
7cl Apollo. H = 75mm, D = 50mm (http://www.zeitgeist-i.com/GMB/7cl_apollo.jpg)
And a correction:
The 14cl should be 85mm tall, not 75mm. :-[