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Title: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 29, 2007, 08:21:38 AM

I have this platter (actually, I have two & a matching small 3 footed bowl).

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4772

In my searches I came across this Vase on Pamela Wessendorf's webpage, which appears to be of a similar pattern. http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/vasen/02640.html. 

Is it likely that my platter could be from this manufacturer? Or am I leading myself down the garden path? I would love your opinion.

Cheers,
Lyn

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Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Cathy B on January 29, 2007, 08:41:47 AM

Hi Lyn,

We've discussed this pattern before, with the best guess being that they're probably of Czech origin. There seem to have been a few makers of similar patterns, because there are distinct differences. Pieces of a similar pattern turn up on Australian eBay quite often as well.

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,7359.0.html
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2196.0.html

Cheers!

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Glen on January 29, 2007, 09:05:50 AM

I think this piece is actually Polish - by Stolle Niemen (circa 1926-35).

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 29, 2007, 09:58:53 AM

Hmm .. thanks for those links Cathy. Doesn't look promising, eh?

Glen, all I can google on Stolle Niemen is reference to a J. Stolle Glass Factory in Niemen which produced Glass Insulators (which it appears are collectible - go figure!). Do you mind if I ask what makes you think this piece is by Stolle Niemen? And where would I be most likely to find some information on this Glass Manufacturer? I'm still new to all this researching, you see  ;)  Thanks for all your help!

Cheers,
Lyn

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Glen on January 29, 2007, 10:14:06 AM

Lyn - Stolle Niemen is not yet well researched, as far as I am aware. I am currently just scratching the surface of Polish produced glass (eg http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/HORTENSJA.html ).

I guess you are most likely to find information on this from me. You see I have in my hand a catalogue page from Stolle Niemen which shows your piece exactly. It has the number 1782. When I get the chance I will scan the item (and I'll also do the Ballerina piece that Cathy has, that I mentioned was by SN in a previous, recent thread). It's all just a matter of time really - as I am working on a couple of other glass research projects at the moment too.

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 29, 2007, 10:47:27 AM

Wow Glen, that was quite fascinating! Thanks so much :D I wait in eager anticipation  ;)

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Cathy B on January 29, 2007, 11:58:42 AM

Ah, wondered what that hint in the other link was about, Glen  ;) Great stuff!

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Glen on January 29, 2007, 05:05:40 PM

Here's the piece from this thread. I'll post the ballerina in the relevant thread.

http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Stolle2.html

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 29, 2007, 08:54:29 PM

Wow! Thanks Glen. I noticed that these seem to have 4 'handles' so to speak, where mine only has two. Do you think that I can safely assume my platter would be of the same manufacturer? The bottom view looks almost identical except for those handles.  I have a bid on a bowl, so hopefully that comes through. There seem to be quite a few of these around.

Cheers,
Lyn

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Glen on January 29, 2007, 09:15:40 PM

Could be just a quirk of the catalogue drawing, Lyn, rather than an actual photo. But then, maybe another maker somewhere made it too.......

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 29, 2007, 09:23:56 PM

He he .. and so it continues, eh?  :D Do you mind if I ask how you come across these catalogues?

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Glen on January 29, 2007, 10:06:30 PM

All explained in the "Hortensja" article......a collector friend who was working in Poland came across them.

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: pamela on January 29, 2007, 10:33:46 PM

Lyn, thank you for bringing this up! I had replaced the plate and posy troughs on my site from VSL back to 'unknown' many months ago, but I forgot the vase - sorry  ::)

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 30, 2007, 07:51:32 AM

:D No worries, Pamela. Glad I could be of assistance  ;D  Thanks Glen for all your help on this. Will you post your findings on your webpage?

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Cathy B on January 30, 2007, 09:27:45 AM

Hi Glen,

There's a pink bowl in the same pattern on p. 18 of Andy McConnell's 20th Century Glass, with the press-moulded mark "Czechoslovakia".  ??? Presume more than one company made the pattern - wish they hadn't made life so darn complicated...

PS re the ballerina bowl, should we split it out as a topic now?

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Glen on January 30, 2007, 10:20:46 AM

Quote from: Cathy B on January 30, 2007, 09:27:45 AM

wish they hadn't made life so darn complicated...

 :) Cathy - they did it to make our life verrry tricky (a perfect example being those darned Pinwheel vases  :P)

And I guess, yes. Let's make the ballerina do the splits  :o

 :D

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Anne on January 31, 2007, 02:37:07 AM

I saw a few of these marked Czechoslovakia at the first Northern Glass Fair in Harrogate - there are two pics of them in GlassGallery here: http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/thumbnails.php?album=36

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Ambergreen on January 31, 2007, 03:04:34 AM

Thanks Anne, yes I did see these. I think someone else might have posted this link.  I don't know, mine just doesn't look as impressive as theirs  :'( But then maybe it's just the display.  I guess I should just be satisfied with Czech for the time being. Maybe Glen will stumble across some more info.  Thanks everyone for your help.

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Gill on February 01, 2007, 06:49:20 PM

Here are some similar ones, I think the final verdict was czech on these although none were marked.thought you might be interested in seeing them. Polish link is interesting though.


http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3385
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3356
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-3357

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Gill on February 01, 2007, 06:54:00 PM

Oops, messed up again, someone's already put these on :-[ One day I'll have a useful response I'm sure!

Title: Re: Amber Platter - Val Saint Lambert??
Post by: Anne on February 01, 2007, 10:42:27 PM

Gill, no worries, I'm sure it's better to have the info twice than not at all.  ;)