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Title: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on January 30, 2007, 04:28:57 PM
Nice pair of vases, im sure someone on here will know what they are.
7" tall. Victorian? English??

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4836
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4835
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4833
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4832
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4834

Thanks Andy
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Lustrousstone on January 30, 2007, 04:57:02 PM
I want them  >:D >:D. What are the tops like? Ground or fire polished?
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on January 30, 2007, 05:10:12 PM
Hi Christine,
theyre not mine, yet, i should have said!
theyre in a local auction, i think the tops were flat, so i suppose ground, but i seem to
remember, they were quite smooth, and ive seen a lot worse,
give me a hint and i will try for them, the estimate is £30-50, seemed cheap to me!
Regards Andy
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 02, 2007, 04:19:26 PM
If the top is flat ground, they're probably not English
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on February 02, 2007, 10:17:32 PM
the top is, i suppose ground flat, although they are fairly smooth, there is like 2 layers, i suppose outside is cased clear glass. Its  hollow all the way to the base( a few dead spiders trapped down there!) The amber applied
'petals' remind me of Italian? The white glass has the amber glow in light , so i suppose
opalescent?

thanks all,
any info welcome!
Regards Andy
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on February 03, 2007, 08:08:04 PM
These are still growing on me, they go perfectly with one of my favourite Skrdlovice pieces,
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4851

Ive been searching today, similar to stevens & williams or Stourbridge, but as Christine
points out , the ground top probably not English, do you think im looking more Bohemian than
Italian or english?

ps Max, thanks for the flowers! :-*
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on April 03, 2008, 06:41:31 PM
These may seem familiar, i popped them on a year ago, but with tiny pictures, and no conclusions,
so , as they are a little similar to several other recent threads, ive got larger photos, and now,
ive got a uv light, so just went in a dark room, and a surprise! They glow different colours ;D
The leaves on one are Bright Orange, the other one just reflects the purple uv.
The tops are flat and polished.
(Christine, you loved them ;) the orig thread was http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,9133.0.html
but it did wander off topic a bit, so its not a lot of help)
heres new photos,
any ideas?
Andy 8)
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Anne on April 03, 2008, 11:44:22 PM
Topics merged, dewibbled and updated. 8)
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: krsilber on April 04, 2008, 06:24:34 AM
Oh good!  I saw the first post and was disappointed by the small photos, so I'm glad you put more on.  Cool vases!  Interesting they glow different colors.  The one on the left in the first photo looks slightly better made, more regular and doesn't have the bubbles the other one has.  I wonder if they were made in different years by the same company, or one's a reproduction by another company.

I didn't think a ground rim automatically disqualified an English maker, does it?

And what the heck does "dewibbled" mean?  I wonder that every time I see it.
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 04, 2008, 06:45:51 AM
Wibble has become the board term for irrelevant chatter in threads, which is OK while the thread is still moving because sometimes one thing leads to another that might be useful. However, it takes up space and loses meaning when not current, so it is dewibbled  ;D This paragraph is wibble for dewibbling.


Andy have a look on this fairy lamp page (http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/FairyLampParts.html). I reckon yours are maybe fairy lamps without domes and lamp cups

Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Frank on April 04, 2008, 09:16:00 AM
A new term invented on this board  :o :o :o  ::) :hiclp: :chky: :clap: :D ;D
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on April 04, 2008, 11:37:23 AM
Thanks Christine, i would say they are by the same maker, i cant find any complete items on
the site though, and one thing worries me, mine have a smaller opening at the top, and the edges
flare outwards, so i cant see how something would sit on top of them :huh:
Do you think the Harrach scan you rcvd from Galle may be relevant to me ? They are similar
to your candle sticks :huh:

Regards Andy
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 04, 2008, 12:04:20 PM
No more relevant than my picture. Email Jim about your thingys, he's a member here, although he doesn't post (or visit I suspect) very often. Clicking on the lonely hearts items gives you his email if you can't find it elsewhere
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Galle on April 04, 2008, 12:30:23 PM
I sent you the scan, Andy... I don't know if it's relevant or not, but at least you can see what we were discussing. :)
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on April 04, 2008, 01:38:31 PM
Hi,
well, ive just emailed jim, giving him this link, and telling him he would be very welcome.
and Warren, thanks for the scan, i think its very similar in styles, and would not be
surprised if they are Harrach.

Thanks all,
Andy ;D
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Ivo on April 04, 2008, 01:50:45 PM
The domes are remarkably like the fairy lights I supplied to Jim some moths ago... but that could be coincidence.
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Frank on April 04, 2008, 02:19:05 PM
The differences could suggest that one was made later to match the other, probably to the same glasshouse. This is quite a common practise when one of a pair or a part gets broken.
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Jim Sapp on April 04, 2008, 03:21:29 PM
Hi everyone,

This is a great forum but, sadly, I do not visit often.  I want to thank Andy for inviting me to participate in this topic.  I always enjoy talking about fairy lamps.

First, I want to address what these "vases" are not.  While quite similar, they are not parts of a fairy lamp.  As previously noted, the top opening is much too small to accept a fairy lamp cup.  To help you see the difference, I have put a few examples on-line for you.  They are at:

http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Temp/Standards.jpg (http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Temp/Standards.jpg)

As you will see, the consistent feature is a top opening of about 2 inches that will accept a pyramid-size lamp cup.  Or, it will have an opening of about 3 inches that will accept a fairy-size lamp cup.

Now, for what they are.  In 1940, J.F. Madsen prepared a book (unpublished) on Victorian Christmas Lights.  In the book he included a discussion on "Life Lights."  According to Madden, a Life Light was given to a child at birth and lit on each birthday.  I believe these "vases" are Life Lights.  Keep in mind, however, this is the only source that identifies these as Life Lights.  If true, I suspect they did not burn candles but, used oil with a floating wick.
  
I have put Madsen's unpublished book on-line for your reference.  It is quite large in adobe.pdf format.  You can scan through the pages or, if you prefer, search for "life" to find the discussion and examples.  The book is at:

http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/ChristmasLightsGraham.pdf (http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/ChristmasLightsGraham.pdf)

As to the maker.  I think Harrach is a good guess but, I believe they are a product of Hosch, another well known Bohemian glass maker.  The rationale for attributing these to Hosch is based on the fact that Hosch made the similarly styled fairy lamps.  And, fortunately, Hosch documented the fairy lamps in his catalog. The date of this catalog is unknown but, is believed to be c. 1905.  I have also put the catalog page on-line that shows his line of fairy lamps.  The catalog is at:

http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/CatalogAds/HoschPageUnknown.jpg (http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/CatalogAds/HoschPageUnknown.jpg)

Keep in mind, however, I am of the opinion that it is nearly impossible to positively attribute any Bohemian glass to a specific manufacture with precise documentation.  Consequently, I love old catalogs!

Now, if you don't mind, a bit of self promotion.  Following the lead of this forum, I have developed my own forum on fairy lamps.  I would like to invite to visit this forum and perhaps use it to answer those nagging fairy lamp questions.  The forum is at:

www.fairylampforum.com (http://www.fairylampforum.com)

I hope this long-winded explanation helps.  

Jim
www.fairylampclub.com (http://www.fairylampclub.com)


Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Galle on April 04, 2008, 04:19:10 PM
I agree with Jim that Hosch is more likely than Harrach. Hosch was a glass refiner and fabricator who also purchased finished glassware from other top refineries to sell in its export showroom.
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 04, 2008, 05:25:15 PM
Thank you Jim,  :clap: Life lamp or oil burner possibly also covers my thingy and perhaps Marinka's pink trimmed vase thingy http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20565.0.html (http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,20565.0.html)

I have signed up  ;)

Hope you don't mind us prodding you occasionally
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Jim Sapp on April 04, 2008, 05:42:25 PM
Hope you don't mind us prodding you occasionally

When it comes to fairy lamps....I love to be prodded.  
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on April 05, 2008, 11:17:14 AM
Hi Jim,
thanks very much for popping by, the reply and all the fascinating information,
Hosch, another company i had never heard of, but will look out for in the future,
and life lamps ! lovely story, dont be a stranger, and im sure you will get others from
here visiting your site and forum regularly :D

Regards and thanks  :hiclp: :hiclp: :hiclp:
Andy

ps i have another question for Jim or anyone else, does the glow from the Orange leaves
mean they contain Uranium, or would it be another mineral/metal??
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Lustrousstone on April 05, 2008, 12:23:29 PM
The orange glow in not uranium, I think it might be cadmium, but don't hold me to that
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Frank on April 05, 2008, 12:43:30 PM
Some unusual fairy lamps are in the auction posted in Events forum.
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Andy on April 05, 2008, 12:48:12 PM
Thanks Christine,
i think youre right, Cadmium, plus maybe with selenium,
http://www.glassyeye.com/glasstopics/dichroic.html
Am i right in thinking this is David E's site?
(the gallery doesnt work at the moment)

Regards
Andy
Title: Re: Super Vaseline vases , pair, with a surprise!
Post by: Jim Sapp on April 05, 2008, 01:44:40 PM
Some unusual fairy lamps are in the auction posted in Events forum.

Yes, there are some "unusual" fairy lamps up for auction.  A few really nice ones and a couple that appear to be "make dos".

Here in the US there is an outstanding glass and lamp auction coming up in June.  It has several dozen choice fairy lamps along with many other miniature and full size oil lamps.  If you like art glass or Victorian lamps, check out the auction highlights at:

http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/249/selected_highlights.asp (http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/249/selected_highlights.asp)