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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Decolucretia on February 03, 2007, 08:28:54 AM
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Hi there. First attempt at a question post....here goes. Wondering if anyone could assist with the attached photo.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4845
I found the vase in a seconds store years ago and always assumed it was made by Jobling. It glows when exposed to UV. I've searched the piece and have not found any maker's mark. I have since seen very similar vases on e-bay, etc advertised as Verlys and Fenton. How can I tell who made this piece? ???
Michelle
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Hi Michelle
I do not have all the catalogues that some people have but I would say its not Jobling
regards roy
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The Fenton/Verlys vase is different. The birds are upright, heads together.
Fenton made these initially for Holphane from molds that Holophane acquired from Verlys.
See this thread for more detail:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,8783.0.html
Here is an example of the Fenton made Lovebirds vase
http://home.att.net/~happy-memories/pix/fntnsatinbirds.jpg
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Thank you Connie and Roy for your input. :)
I had a look at the fenton / verlys photos - mine is definately different. The bottom carries a pattern of what look like berries and lines. I have a few other Jobling pieces (frosted) and this finish is similar though I always wondered about the lack of a maker's mark.
Does anyone have this vase and if so, does it contain any markings? I can't find a photo reference for this piece on the net either. :-\
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Hello Michelle,
Thank you for sharing your confusing but very interesting vase. The pattern is a hybrid between the Verlys Pigeons and Lovebirds vases. As Connie states, on the Lovebirds vase the birds stand more upright, however, the birds on the larger Pigeons vase follow the curve of the piece as illustrated:
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4490
The pattern on the foot and the overall shape of your vase is more consistent with the Lovebirds vase, however.
To my knowledge this green is not a Verlys colour and in my opinion it is either a copy of the Verlys pattern or a modification of a lovebirds mould. Unfortunately I cannot add anything further as to age or maker as I have never seen another like it.
I am fairly certain it is not a Jobling piece. It does not feature in either the 1934 or '37 catalogues and is not illustrated in Baker & Crowe. As an aside, however, Jobling did produce a lighting bowl decorated with three iris flowers (reg. no. 851364, registered 12/6/47) that appears to have been a close copy of a Verlys pattern (known as the 'orchid bowl' in the US, illustrated on p52 of McPeek 1972/92).
Steven
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These turn up in Australia relatively often, and appear in amber or green. All the green that I have seen has glowed under UV.
Are they common in any other parts of the world? Christine, Glen, Pamela, Connie, have you people ever seen anything like them? I really wouldn't have imagined them to be Australian, even an Australian copy, because the pattern is just too fussy.
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Can't remember seeing one. It's quite a yellowy green uranium though
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Certainly not common in the UK and I've never seen one in France either.
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I haven't seen one of these vases.
I do, however, have a 1970s purple Fenton "Lovebirds" (and as a point of interest, this vase was said to have been one of Frank M Fenton's favourite pieces).
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I haven't seen one of these vases.
I do, however, have a 1970s purple Fenton "Lovebirds" (and as a point of interest, this vase was said to have been one of Frank M Fenton's favourite pieces).
Glen - could you post a picture of it, please. :) If it is the same one, that is the item that is pictured in Fenton Special Order book from the original Verlys mold. I couldn't find one of the internet to post and it is different from the custard lovebird vase I showed.
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Hi Connie - your wish............ ;)
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/Lovebirds.html
Glen
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Hi Glen - Thank you so much for posting that picture. Your vase is gorgeous but it is not the one I meant :-[ Duh!! My fault, I should have known yours would be carnival glass ;D
The one I meant is a transparent purple shown on page 83 in Fenton Special Orders 1980-present. I should have the read the legend of the picture more closely. It was supposedly made in 1996 but varies from the other lovebird vases in that it has a smooth top and doesn't have the leaf background.
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These turn up in Australia relatively often, and appear in amber or green. All the green that I have seen has glowed under UV.
Are they common in any other parts of the world? Christine, Glen, Pamela, Connie, have you people ever seen anything like them? I really wouldn't have imagined them to be Australian, even an Australian copy, because the pattern is just too fussy.
Hi and thanks for the replies. I didn't think that it was Australian made due to quality and feel of the glass :o If I was to hazard a guess, it reminds me a little of English glass. It certainly doesn't have the jagged edge of the fenton piece either. I've just splashed out and purchased a decent digital camera and am discovering the joys of macro :D I'll try to post another pic with more detail in the next few days (sometime between that distracting thing called work!).
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Believe me, Australian's not entirely out of the question! That said, there's a world of unknown European pressed glass out there which it is just as likely to be as English.
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Believe me, Australian's not entirely out of the question! That said, there's a world of unknown European pressed glass out there which it is just as likely to be as English.
Wow. I was under the impression (perhaps falsely) that Crown Crystal produced the majority of glass in Australia (20s-40s). Does this mean there is a possibility that Crown Crystal produced this? I have only handled 'lower' end every day goods produced by Crown Crystal. Oh, I meant to mention before that the vase is more an apple frosted green colour.
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Only a very small chance, Michelle - but then, I wouldn't have realised that they copied the Bagley 'Equinox' vases, Walther 'Greta' and made the incredible 'Futuristic' series, and that the Palms series seems to be copied from a Polish Hortensja pattern (http://www.carnival-glass.net/), if I hadn't seen the evidence.
Really don't think this is Australian, but I've learned not to be absolute. ;)
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I didn't realise that level of copying was going on in Australia. I was aware of the Bagley copies but the greta vase by Walther?? :o I have a few of these and am going to give them a good once over now! I am fast finding out that I know so little about glass, but that's half the fun isn't it - the long and never ending journey!
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Me too, Michelle! I don't know the difference either - I have three. I'll start a new thread and ask Pamela about the genuine Walther version tomorrow - and photos and measurements of yours would be wonderful.
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Me too, Michelle! I don't know the difference either - I have three. I'll start a new thread and ask Pamela about the genuine Walther version tomorrow - and photos and measurements of yours would be wonderful.
Thanks Cathy. I've finally gotten round to taking photos (still mastering new camera ::) ) and will upload soon and start new post with question about genuine Walther versions of greta. I'll include measurements of mine.
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Me too, Michelle! I don't know the difference either - I have three. I'll start a new thread and ask Pamela about the genuine Walther version tomorrow - and photos and measurements of yours would be wonderful.
Thanks Cathy. I've finally gotten round to taking photos (still mastering new camera ::) ) and will upload soon and start new post with question about genuine Walther versions of greta. I'll include measurements of mine.
Hi again Cathy. I finally got around to uploading the photos of the small Walther Greta vases. They are approximately 20cm in length, 9.5cm width and 15.5cm tall. I don't have much clear / frosted Walther to compare to but I am about to post another thread with a strange piece (Mowen) in clear frosted with a strange frosted (not black glass stand). But back to the Greta vases.....perhaps they are not Greta vases...would be interested to hear from Pamela or others that can enlighten me re Australian copies.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5594
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5592
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Hi Michelle,
Thanks for that. I'll start a new thread for these sometime tomorrow, and include the ones I have. I have no idea which are which. For now, all I can say is that CC definitely made the mould and stipulated it be 1" wider than the example they had. We'll have to do a thorough measure and nook-and-cranny count.
Cheers!