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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Andy on February 06, 2007, 11:18:11 PM
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A few days ago, i posted a message about a lucky ebayer selling an 'art glass vase' he was
left by a relative, heres another from a different seller!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250081509913
this one "left in the flat he bought"
also see he sold
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250076909113
his grandmother left it to him!!
Can i suggest buyers beware of Whitefriars Bricklayers Art glass!
Moderators, is it coincidence? anything we can do?
experts,are they genuine??
Cheers Andy
(he also sells signed david Beckham shirts, yeah right!)
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I would think they're probably* by Jonathan Anderson who has some original WF drunken bricklayer moulds. I spoke to Emmi about the blue one yesterday - I've got a pink one of his. His work is signed by him though. ??? Not sure what's going on, I've mailed the person above who I think has made them via ebay, but had no reply yet.
* conjecture
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Max,
I just emailed the ebayer who paid £365 for the green one the other day, suggesting they
check its genuine!
Of course, seller is only saying its an 'art glass vase' and knows nothing about it!
Looks fishy to me!
Regards Andy
Caveat Emptor = Let the buyer beware!
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I just emailed the ebayer who paid £365 for the green one the other day, suggesting they
check its genuine!
Most WF collectors know of Jonathan Anderson, and would recognise that the blue and flint aren't original WF colours for that style. The green one is a little moot though, as I think the colour's quite similar to meadow green from memory. I'd be interested to know if the green one is signed.
Jonathan Anderson seems like a straightforward chap to me, and I am certain he never intended to fool anyone. That's why the new situation is odd.
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His work is signed by him though.
Yes, but that's nothing sandpaper can't cure. >:(
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Aren't the Anderson ones the 'wrong way round'?
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Aren't the Anderson ones the 'wrong way round'?
I think some of them are, mine's round the right way.
I'm going to leave this debate here, as I can sense this could become a very thorny issue indeed. :-X
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Is it a different seller though, Andy?
The one you posted a couple of days ago, http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280077153206 is photographed on the same coloured table and background as the second one that you have posted above. >:D
Hmmm.......
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Almost the same wording too
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I dont suppose technically ebay would say hes breaking any rules! as he doesnt
say what it is, at least members on this board may be careful if they see anymore,
and the poor chap probably loses a lot of Grandmothers!
Ho hum, Caveat Emptor!
Andy
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I emailed the seller to see if there was any signature and he said no!!! Emmi
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Seller´s grammar and spelling reminds me a bit of the listings of "our old friend" - ChrisM. Also, interestingly enough a lot of the recent sales by this eBayer has been removed by eBay.
Tuija
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I was immediately suspicious when I saw the first one appear on Ebay. A deliberate avoidance of 'Whitefriars?' (with the ever-present question mark!!). And, let's face it, a genuine seller would have done some research and easily discovered what it might be. Unless s/he lives on Mars, it's impossible not to have known. So that leaves only one answer... ;)
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Andy I'm not sure whether 'Caveat Emptor' is applicable on eBay now - the 'let the buyer beware' clause contradicts paypals policy of refunding payment if an item doesn't match the description in the listing. I've tried find the words 'Caveat Emptor' through eBays search function - eBay doesn't recognise it.
The clear Brick is odd - as though it was 'off colour' and not a cystal grade of clear glass. Mr Anderson has advertised his wares in the past as being crystal. It could be the camera picture though......hang on... signed off and suddenly realised the glass could have been contaminated when made.
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Caveat emptor may contradict Paypal's refund policy, but eBay would argue they are two separate companies...... caveat emptor is a legal pleading, and would probably apply if one took action in the UK, but eBay would almost certainly rely on the defence that they are only mediators in a sale, and not an auction house per se. As Paypal is a payment mediator, this legal device is irrelevant.
For private sellers, one has little recourse, and for professional sellers using eBay, they would not be any less subject to the trades descriptions and sale of goods acts within the UK, than UK charity shops selling items. I can't see any eBay professional successfully pleading that either act does not apply to on-line sales.
One situation where buyers should buy from eBay professional sellers, and take great care when buying from private sellers.
jmho,
Marcus
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....yes.....I see what you mean, and thank you very much Mr le Casson - I read somewhere too on eBay that it's not a proper auction house (or words to that effect) just as you've said above and wondered what they were getting at at the time - I'd never understood the full significance of the 'caveat emptor' clause not appearing on eBay either - so in the case of the bricks, trading standards has been very neatly dodged and that the buyer/s needed to be beware that such things happen.
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Would be very grateful if Mr Anderson could come along and clarify whether the Bricklayers were or were not of his making. The clear one is confusing and - also one or both unsigned.
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eBay are very much bound by the rules of trade in the UK and so to are individual traders. But unless you are the victim you cannot easily initiate a complain via the police. Doing it via Trading Standards take weeks and months.
You cannot be a victim if you knew in advance and buy it to raise a complaint either.