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Title: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: josordoni on February 07, 2007, 06:49:25 PM: I have two sets of four each of these rinsers, but I am not sure how old they might be, or where they may be from. Anyone have any ideas?

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4930 Rinser one
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-4931 Rinser two

Thanks!
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Heidimin on February 07, 2007, 08:05:15 PM: Sorry - can't help, but I'm curious. What's a rinser?
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Andy on February 07, 2007, 08:14:41 PM: Heidi,
I believe its a bowl that you would have on the dining table, literally to rinse your
drinking glass, i presume before you open the next bottle! Hic!
Andy
(usually 19th century, and possibly to warm or cool the drinking glass)
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: josordoni on February 07, 2007, 09:03:42 PM: Quote from: Andy on February 07, 2007, 08:14:41 PM
Heidi,
I believe its a bowl that you would have on the dining table, literally to rinse your
drinking glass, i presume before you open the next bottle! Hic!
Andy
(usually 19th century, and possibly to warm or cool the drinking glass)

That's it! Cos they drank one hell of a lot those Georgians....a different wine with each dish sometimes.

Which is why they needed a bordelou...

as you say, hic!
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Andy on February 07, 2007, 09:19:11 PM: Hi Lynne,
just looking in millers glass guide, 2002, it says,
Wine glass coolers or rinsers(US name) unusual items of late 18th and 19thC.
Same size as a finger bowl, with pouring lips each side, were used to rinse or cool
wine glasses between courses.
A picture of one almost identical, (as your rinser 2) says, set of 6 c1840 5inches (12.5cm) wide
£220-250. (pinch of salt needed!)
Cheers Andy
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Heidimin on February 07, 2007, 09:29:12 PM: Quote
Which is why they needed a bordelou...

Now you're teasing me, Lynne! All I can find on-line and in my dictionary is a variant of "bordel" - brothel or complete mess. Surely you're not telling me those cunning old Georgians had something special made of glass for that too...
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Anne on February 08, 2007, 03:24:20 AM: Heidi, it's true. A bordelou was a portable convenience - I have a china one in blue and white ware here. Mine looks like a double-ended sauceboat with a built in underplate. :)

See also this thread where they were mentioned previously:
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,3283.0.html
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Heidimin on February 08, 2007, 10:05:33 PM: Thanks, Anne - what a mine of information is the GMB! :)
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Heidimin on February 08, 2007, 10:06:31 PM: PS - but at the dinner table????? Surely not... :o
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Lustrousstone on February 08, 2007, 10:53:44 PM: Yes, behind a screen. Somewhere I went this summer, a National Trust house, hasa cupboard in the dining room for a commode. I think perhaps a bordelou was more for in your carriage, hence the saucer
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: Andy on February 11, 2007, 07:09:53 PM: Lynne,
just looking at some Whitefriars pages, and saw these from 1931 catalogue!

http://www.whitefriars.com/catalogues/contents.php?pageNum_catalogue=2&totalRows_catalogue=128&id=1586

Andy

ps(cant see anything to help getting caught short at the table, I think by the 1930s, manners
had improved!)
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: josordoni on February 11, 2007, 09:09:39 PM: Certainly look similar... which is why I am very loath to assume mine are Georgian! There must be a way to date this kind of glass, but I am not very good at it.... :'(
Title: Re: Glass rinsers - how old do you think these might be?
Post by: 18thCGlass on March 28, 2009, 12:17:23 PM: Lynne

The earliest these could be would be around 1820; but they might just as easily be 100 years later. Reproduction Georgian glass items then went on to be mass produced in the 1930's; so no real way of determining what date these are from a photograph. There isnt a great demand for finger bowls and rinsers unless they are a set of 6; or are Irish, or have some other redeeming feature, such as an engraved coat of arms etc.

Trev.