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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Topic started by: Glen on February 09, 2007, 07:10:15 PM
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Some of you may remember my quest a week or so ago, where I was asking for your help with the points on Davidson's #269 (the Blackberry Prunt pattern). http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,9127.0.html
Several of you were incredibly helpful (thank you again) and you may be interested to read now what it was all about. It's a fascinating story - a real Whodunnit - and I think the answer will surprise you.
http://www.geocities.com/carni_glass_uk_2000/MysteryComport.html
I'd be grateful for all any feedback. If you can help add more information please let me know.
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COO! :o :o :o
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Hi Glen,
Can I suggest that you try asking the London SOAS,(School of Oriental and African Studies) if they can help with translation? Some of their staff are likely to operate in the Chinese industrial/economic history field, so you may get the exact name of the company.
Regards,
Marcus
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Thanks Marcus - that's a very useful suggestion.
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Excellent result!
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至(zhì)记(jì) 实(shí)业(yè)厂(chǎng) 出(chū)品(pǐn)
These are the characters written in modern, simplified Chinese with their pinyin equivalents (thanks to my fiancee Zhang Jie). The first two characters appear to be the name of the factory, 'zhì' is probably the name of the founder.
All the best
Steven :)
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Sorry can't help with ID, but what a fascinating story. Emmi
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:o :o :clap: :clap:
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Thanks for the supportive words, folks :) :) .....and Steven, please thank your fiancee, Zhang Jie. May I add her contribution to the article (with an acknowledgement to her, of course)?
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Wow! Glen, that's amazing. What a story, and a great piece of research as well. Who would have thought that Davidson's 269 would have been copied by the Chinese so long ago... and as you say, where are all the other pieces? This cannot be the only Chinese made one surely? Or are we all so innured to seeing this design that we *know* it's Davidson and don't look closely enough - if the compote hadn't been Carnival this question and answer wouldn't have arisen, most likely. Well done! :)
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I can see an outbreak of counting points on prunts 8) I'm already feeling the back of Chance glass and shining a torch at green stuff
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Hello Glen,
Please feel free to add Jie's contribution, she is very happy to have been of help. We will keep looking and see if we can turn up anything more on the factory, though I wouldn't hold out too much hope.
Steven & Zhang Jie
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Fascinating story Glen :clap:
I shall be feeling bumps on prunts from now on ;) ;D
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Glen
Bravo, you do have a way with words, a very well writen piece, thank you for the cedit, if I find any thing new will post to GMB.
Tony H in NZ
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Fascinating :clap: :clap:
Hil
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More magic and mystery, Glen!
Extraordinary! If you hadn't spotted the difference with the prunts, we'd all be thinking it was rare irridised Davidson. Aside from the obvious paperweights, I wonder what else was made in China. Wouldn't it be fantastic to put factory names, dates and maybe even designers to some of these pieces.
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Wow! Glen.
Unbelievable! Great article (as ever).... and Lesley found the piece. The world just keeps getting smaller. ;D ;D
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Again sincere thanks folks for your supportive messages - and I'd like to take a moment here to say a very big thank you to Chris Stewart. :clap: :clap: His help is already acknowledged on the article itself, but I would like to say it again here.
In the early stages of figuring out this mystery I asked Chris for his help / thoughts. I was fascinated when he told me that all the 269s he had examined had 7 points on the prunts. Without his knowledge and observation regarding this crucial detail, the investigation may well have stopped in the early stages. So - thank you Chris, for your help, your knowledge, your expertise and your time. I am indebted to you.
I'd also like to publicly thank Lesley and Bob Smith (the owners of the comport) for all their wonderful help, their photos and for trusting me to undertake the investigation.
This really was an international team effort in every way. Without the help from GMB members who kindly checked their pieces, as well as photographing them (again thank you Tony H) we would not have been able to get the evidence checked so well.
Thank you again, everyone who has helped in every and any way.
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The best detective stories always hinge on a tiny detail.... in this case points on prunt! Who would have thought it! :o
Excellent piece Glen, worthy of Agatha Christie at her most devious!
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Hi to everyone that has commented on the compote, thanks to Glen who gave me the details on how to join this group, yes it is a mystery but a very beautiful one.
Many thanks to my near nieghbour with his lovely blue compote , and a big thankyou to all of you that counted the dots on prunts.
Looking forward to talking to some you soon.
Lesley.
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Hi Lesley and welcome! It's good to have another Australian here, particularly a carnival enthusiast!
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Hi Cathy,
thankyou for the welcome, yes I am a carnival addict, keep saying I must not buy any more, but when I see a piece I do not have cannot help myself, not saying I always get it but I try.Just love the European and Australian, I also have some Crown Crystal in clear glass that also come in carnival, and do have a couple of depression pieces.
Lesley.
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Lesley - a huge welcome to the GMB. It's wonderful to see you here. :hug:
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Hi Steven, / mosquito
notice you are on line, thankyou for putting the old symbols to the new symbols, hopefully one day we will learn more.
Lesley.
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Hello Lesley,
Glad to be of help, it's just a shame that the symbols don't reveal any more. We've had a look through a number of Chinese sorces but unsurprisingly can't find anything on the web referring to a glassmaker of that name. We will travel to China later in the year, however, and will try to investigate a few other avenues, though records for this period are likely to be patchy at best.
Steven