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Title: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: josordoni on February 15, 2007, 11:28:31 AM

I thought you might like to see my latest buy  - very beatiful heart paperweight.

Any interesting points ( or proper terminology I should use) anyone would like to make, so I can put them in the listing, gratefully received!   ;D ;D

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5160 top
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5161 side
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5162 base

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: KevinH on February 15, 2007, 11:42:40 AM

How about this way around...

Let us know what your listing wording will be then I, for one, will be happy to say if there is anything that should be changed.

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: josordoni on February 15, 2007, 11:51:09 AM

Thanks Kev, that would be great, and most kind.

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: David E on February 15, 2007, 01:41:16 PM

Miller's Paperweights of the 19th & 20th Centuries, Anne Metcalfe. I don't avidly collect paperweights, but my meagre resources did stretch to buying this very inexpensive book.

Edit: ISBN 1-84000-309-X

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: josordoni on February 15, 2007, 06:10:11 PM

Hi Kev,

here is my suggested wording:

1930s VINTAGE PAUL YSART PAPERWEIGHT

PINK COMPLEX CANE HEART SET ON A MARBLED BLUE BACKGROUND, WITH SINGLE GREEN/WHITE COMPLEX CANE CENTRE

SURROUNDED BY A GARLAND OF ORANGE/WHITE/CLEAR STARS  AND GREEN/WHITE/YELLOW DAISY CANES

MAUVISH DARK GLASS

ROUGH GROUND PONTIL ON INDENTED BASE

Beautiful Paul Ysart paperweight dating from the 1930s.

Condition is overall good, only one or two very tiny wear scratches to the sides.  Wear to the basal rim of the underside. Some loose bubbles in the clear glass dome.

Approx diameter 80 mm 3 ins, no signature cane or label. 

Research source: For further information on Ysart paperweights, please see KevH Glass article at http://www.btinternet.com/%7ekevh.glass/pages/salv-ybros/ysartbros.htm

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: KevinH on February 15, 2007, 11:18:05 PM

I can see nothing to complain about in that wording ... although ...

... The reference link to my pages on Ysart Brothers weights could easily confuse people and get them wondering whether the weight really is by Paul Ysart or by Ysart Brothers (Vasart). The difference is important to collectors.

I do not show a weight of that pattern in my pages, so the next best thing for general readers would be matches to canes. But there is one cane in my listed tables that is, I believe, identical to one in the weight; trouble is, it is not easy for most folk to find and anyway one lonely cane is not the best of references.

If the book that David mentioned (which, I am ashamed to say, I never got around to purchasing!) contains a photo of a similar weight (which I think it may well do), then that would be a better reference than my web pages.

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: josordoni on February 16, 2007, 08:38:34 AM

Thanks  so much, Kev, I really do appreciate your input, I am getting better at my terminology, but not perfect yet!

I would like to reference your site, but I'll change the link to your home page, and add in this discussion so that people can read your proviso.  I don't have the book yet (will see if it is available on Sunday at Cambridge, or get it from Amazon later) so I can't happily reference that. 

btw - I looked carefully through all your canes and couldn't find an exact match, although there were quite sufficient similar in shape to be happy I had made the right decision, but could you tell me which one is an exact match? 

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: David E on February 16, 2007, 10:04:00 AM

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If the book that David mentioned (which, I am ashamed to say, I never got around to purchasing!) contains a photo of a similar weight (which I think it may well do), then that would be a better reference than my web pages.

As a general guide, this book is fine.

It does contain two pages on Paul Ysart, and a further two on Vasart & Stathearn, and 12 more pages on other Scottish makers. Covers all the major makers as well.

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: KevinH on February 16, 2007, 12:13:40 PM

 ;D

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I looked carefully through all your canes and couldn't find an exact match ...

Seems like an opportunity for a bit of fun. Let's play "Hunt the cane".

Can anyone find the match that I have mentioned? Bear in mind that there is more than one set of cane tables in my web pages. And don't forget to try clicking on any image for a larger view - such as those giving a stand-alone page with all the canes for a given weight displayed individually.

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... although there were quite sufficient similar in shape to be happy I had made the right decision

Yes, right decision, but the reasoning is not really valid. Lots of Scottish paperweight canes have a similar look, and this covers more than just the Ysart production.

Another important point (that I have now satisfied myself is true) is that weights made by the men at Ysart Brothers (Vasart) sometimes had canes that are also found in Paul Ysart's work. I suspect that many of the canes made in the 30s, and used in known Paul Ysart weights, were also taken for use at the start of the Ysart Brothers company. Checking canes is not enough for identifcation of some weights.

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: josordoni on February 16, 2007, 12:21:26 PM

it's a nightmare for us amateurs.... :-[

Still (perking up a bit) gives me something to think about when I'm not working, doesn't it!!

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: Frank on February 16, 2007, 01:14:43 PM

Quote from: KevH on February 16, 2007, 12:13:40 PM

suspect that many of the canes made in the 30s, and used in known Paul Ysart weights, were also taken for use at the start of the Ysart Brothers company.

Err isn't that proven Kev... Amongst the canes I obtained from Vincent's widow for example. Ysart Glass Pl 141 also as endpapers in John Simmonds book.

Or is my memory that bad?

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: KevinH on February 16, 2007, 05:13:25 PM

Good point, Frank. Mine was a generalised statement made without a great deal of rigour in my own reviewing :-[

I'll take this opportuntity to clarify:

Yes, the usage is certainly proven for some canes although I don't think that I, or anyone else, has yet fully documented which canes those are. But those who were at the Ysart Glass Conference may recall that I covered some of the examples in my slides.

The full version of my intended comment should have been, "I suspect that there are many more canes, apart from those already known, which have been used in Paul's work and also in that of Salvador and Paul's brothers at the Ysart Brothers (Vasart) works."

(Oh, and for good measure, although there is (almost) no actual evidence to support the idea, I cannot rule out the making of some millefiori weights and ink bottles by Salvador in the 1930s - which, if they exist, could also contain canes that Paul used in his own early weights and bottles.)

The set of canes that Frank mentions as shown in the Ysart Glass book were eventually passed on to a paperweight collector who was a contributor to the book. They were later photographed, still on their sticky base (akin to Blu-tack) as end plates, not for John Simmonds' book, but for Scottish Paperweights by Bob Hall, published 1999. They were also shown earlier, on page 63 of Paperweights by Pat Reilly, originally published 1994 (now in a reprint version).

And those canes also nearly made it to my own web pages, but my photos turned out to be unusable and I have not since bothered to get fresh images!

Title: Re: Beautiful Ysart Heart
Post by: Frank on February 16, 2007, 05:53:14 PM

Actually I had embedded them in Polyfilla ;)