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Glass Identification - Post here for all ID requests => Glass => Unresolved Glass Queries => Topic started by: Della on February 15, 2007, 02:14:13 PM
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Ooh, this feels kinda strange, stepping into new territory. :-\
I have this boxed set of gilt edged drinking glasses. There is a code stamped on the box and judging from the box and the transfer pictures, I would guess that they date to the late 50's.
Can anyone enlighten me?
(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_londongbox.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5166)(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_londong.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5167)(http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/albums/userpics/10026/thumb_londoncode.jpg) (http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5165)
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TIA ;) :)
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Coool! I saw a set like this listed on eBay recently - in fact, I think we commented on them at the time?
We came to the conclusion that, erm, we didn't know :-[ :D The '58' stamp could be an indication to age - it certainly has that 'look & feel', IMHO. It alludes to being 'Decorated in England', which suggest the glass could be foreign, so that might be worth following up.
Great forum this - if it isn't Chance, Pirelli or Ravenhead... >:D
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You may have noticed the glasses in the box do not match the picture on the outside - the ones in the box are machine made. I have the Trafalgar square one in yet another shape: same transfer, different glass. So this suggests they have been in production for a considerable time. So question: when did they stop white top decks on London Buses?
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Then it 'might' be one of the other comanies identified in the list here http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6965.0.html
else it will be one of the decorating companies not yet listed here. They seem to be good survivors with lots of these boxed sets selling on eBay, or not selling and being frequently relisted.
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I think the ones with white sections were a different bus company that did longer suburban/centre routes. At least from 50's until 70's. Not a separate period.
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Just on the offchance - I don't suppose there are any marks to the base of the glasses, Della?
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Ta da, why didn't I think of that first, before posting ???
Impressed;
France 14
" 7
" 4
" 8
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" 6 or 9
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Pirelli sourced blanks from France, and other countries. No doubt the other decorating companies did too.
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Right, so French glasses, imported by a British decorator, using a British (?) made transfer.
[just beat me Frank]
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A quck flick through this site www.lbpt.org/dd.html (http://www.lbpt.org/dd.html)suggests that the AEC Regent white-topped buses were introduced by London Transport in the 1930s and withdrawn in the 1950s. The all-red Routemasters (as packaging) entered service in 1958. So the transfer design pre-dates the packaging design and as the last Routemasters were withdrawn on 9 December 2005...it dosen't really leave us any closer
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Progress, eh: buses built in the 1950s - still in service. Cars built more than 10 years ago - ready for the scrap heap ;)
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So the transfer design pre-dates the packaging design and as the last Routemasters were withdrawn on 9 December
Which would probably date them to somewhere during 1958, during the phasing out of the white-top and phasing in of the total red.
So, it could be that the 58 stamped on the box does actually refer to the date of 1958, and that was when they were boxed.
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That's a fair asumption :)
58 / 519
The 519th set produced in 1958? ???
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Della, and David, there is a set of london scenes on eBay, but they have a metal tray with them and a sticker on the tray saying marvel, might be a clue :-\ eBay nr 110092167344
The buses are all red.
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Thanks Sue. As they are almost certainly 'open-stock' transfers, this means they could have been used by any number of makers. An example of this is for the 1953 Coronation, where the familiar Royal Crest can be seen on several different glass items.
Another example is Thelwell cartoons on French glasses... ::)
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Thank you, Sue. You certainly are a whizz at finding things. :o
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Progress, eh: buses built in the 1950s - still in service. Cars built more than 10 years ago - ready for the scrap heap ;)
It's OK David modern buses last less than ten years and cost a lot more too!
Transfers probably have a limited shelf life which would limit the use of a particular design although the printing plates could have been stored for a number of years and re-used. That needs research via a transfer company...