Topic: Kings Crown different item maybe English like Turnbull

[Anne]

A bit more on this... today I found a footed bowl in the same pattern, again not marked, but this time having the decorative ridges running down between every fifth scallop. So the ridges have been altered depending on what the form of the item is...

Putting the feet of both the celery and the footed bowl together they are identical in size but the celery has 24 rays in its foot base star, whereas the footed bowl has 28 rays.

Dimensions of the footed bowl are height 5½" (140mm), top diameter 5¾" (145mm), foot diameter 4" (100mm), 30 scallops round the rim, 6 panels, and 12 round circles.

[Anne]

Image of the celery and the footed bowl attached now for reference. Has anyone any other examples of this pattern please?

[Lustrousstone]

Today I saw this celery vase with stars between the zips. No marks though. Excuse bad camera phone photos

[Anne]

Hmmm that's a different one Christine. Thank you for adding the picture - it looks more like a variant of mine than of the ones marked with the Turnbull RD no.?

I've been exchanging emails with Ann from http://www.murrayam.supanet.com/turnbull.html and she has kindly sent me pictures of her Turnbull marked pieces and given her permission for me to add here for comparison and reference. Ann's *are* marked with the Turnbull RD no. so they are the benchmark ones (see pic below). 

Ann also said. "The detailing on yours looks slightly different - the pattern of the ribs seems to be criss-crossed lines, while on mine, it is a line of pointed diamonds shapes which stand proud of the surface." That was something I'd not picked up on, so is another subtle difference between the Turnbulls and the not-Turnbulls. Many thanks to Ann for her help and use of the photo below. 

Hopefully we may be able to pin down the non-Turnbulls to someone one day!

[cxgirl]

Just wondering if there was ever an ID on this piece. I've just found a celery that is the same as the photo Anne posted on May 16,2009. I posted a photo on the PGB board on ebay and a poster said he has a creamer in the same pattern. Hoping something new might come of this.

[Anne]

No, sadly this is still an unresolved item, but I'm still searching. One day, with luck, we'll find out.

Could you ask the creamer owner if he could add a photo of it to this topic for reference please?

[cxgirl]

will do Anne.

[agincourt17]

Have managed to find a reference photo of the Turnbull-lookalike creamer to match the celery and sugar bowl photos posted by Anne on May 16, 2009.

(Permission for the re-use of the image on the GMB granted by Diane Westwood).

I have examples of the Turnbull RD 219638 celery vase, and the non-Turnbull celery vase & sugar bowl – apart from the difference in the spacing of the vertical diamond-tipped ridges, the other significant feature of difference is that the RD 219638 celery vase has plain concave thumbprints to the base of the bowl whereas the non-Turnbull celery, sugar bowl and creamer all have a prominent convex bullseye within a distinct impressed border ring.

As the original photos of the US Kings Crown pieces have disappeared from the posting, I also post some photos of US examples for comparison.

(Permission for the image of the stained / flashed creamer granted by Daniel Zanfield, a clear celery (6 inches tall) granted by Mary Wannamaker, and a 5 inch compote in blue carnival glass granted by LuRuUniques).