Hi again Chris .... Here is an example of what I was saying.... this is a bowl from the 1910 series but not one you will find in any of the catalogues.... from here it would have been shaped either flared, rolled over or cupped inwards..... excuse my descriptions but anno domini again has robbed me of my memory search and the correct terms.....they are in there somewhere but I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm rattling on about ..... Gareth