Topic: Help to identify possible sweetmeat-style glass

[ATB]

Good morning,

Lovely to meet you all and I look forward to learning a great deal from you, I am an enthusiastic beginner when it comes to glass. I buy, collect and sell vintage items.

During my travels I came across a set of three of these glasses, shape wise I thought sweetmeat glasses, but the bowl is green and there is a fairly pristine gold rim around the foot, which made me think maybe Bohemian?

The glasses are small, about 10 cm high, bowl is 6 cm across. In the photos the bowl looks larger than the foot, but in fact it is the same size, 6 cm across.

Thank you for your assistance.

[Paul S.]

Hi - welcome to the GMB.              I wouldn't have thought this shape was a sweetmeat glass  -  the appearance is of a modern piece, and I don't think sweetmeats have been made as recently as this glass  -  I would have suggested a goblet of some kind - but that's not to say you couldn't fill this with Angel Delight or jelly.            The gilded foot rim, as you say, is probably an indication of eastern Europe  -  I dislike use of the work Bohemian though I know lots of people do use it  -  as a country Bohemian has been extinct for over a century, but the word is used for the association of quality it carries.            A lot of tourist glass that came out of Czechoslovakia in the 1950s and '60s was given this gold band treatment.

So, I'd go with goblet though appreciate 10 cms. is a tad short for a goblet,  though perhaps a slightly unusual design to the bowl  -  and made somewhere in the second half of the C20, possibly.

Of course I may well be very wrong  -  let's see what others think                I don't think it makes a jot of difference in this instance, but a good photo of the underside of the foot can - on older pieces - help with dating glass.

P.S.     Having thought again about your use of the word 'sweetmeat', I wonder if you simply meant a modern 'desert' dish  -  as opposed to what I had assumed you meant, which was an C18 or C19 sweetmeat proper  -  the sort that appear to have always been in clear glass.           Just a thought.

[ATB]

Hello Paul

Thank you for that, yes that would feel about right Czechoslovakian 50's /60's - the gold definitely would suggest that. The sweetmeat reference was that I thought it may have been a 'modern' copy of a sweetmeat. I found out recently with a glass I thought was a Pennsylvania Flip glass that nearly all in existence are in fact Czech copies, so I wondered if this was the case here as well.

It is an unusual shape in that the 'jelly mold" bits are in fact indented inside the bowl too - for want of a better explanation!

It would be the tiniest pudding in the world though, we are probably talking jelly shot size.

Very pretty though and tactile, which is why they caught my eye.

Thank you xxx
 

[cagney]

What is a Pennsyvania flip?? I am pretty sure I know what you are referencing. Never heard the term.

[ATB]

Hello,

Sorry I was being a bit brief, a Pennsylvania Stiegel Flip glass is a rather large glass, I have attached an image of the one I have below. It did come from an estate in Pennsylvania, but apparently n'er-do-goods used to go around switching the 18th/19th century Stiegel glasses for cheap Czechoslovakian copies and sadly someone told me this was probably one of the latter.

Ciao

[cagney]

Much has been UN- learned since Frederick Hunters book STIEGEL GLASS was first published in 1914.
Virtually all glass in museums once ascribed to Stiegels glassworks has been re accessed and given a continental origin in the case of his first glassworks [ non lead glass ].
Glass once ascribed to his second glassworks [ lead glass ] at Manheim, Pennsylvania is most likely English in origin.

As to your flip, similar ware has been discussed on this board in the past and it seems a Spain/Portugal origin was crowd sourced. Use the search function provided on the board and type in reproduction vase and ju1i3 in the  user* box. There are a handful of links in that post to previous discussions with pictures.