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Author Topic: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark  (Read 2491 times)

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Offline chloe

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Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« on: October 31, 2008, 11:48:48 PM »
Hmm, no photo as of yet as battery is charging but I have a double sweetmeat dish with the Davidson Lion mark to the centre of each dish, and the pattern appears to be that named the 1895 Pattern.  Yet, I also read that the lion mark wasnt used after 1890.

Have we an annomoly (sp?) here or could anyone offer an explanation?

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2008, 08:49:04 AM »
Chloe — Don't believe everything you read.

It is quite natural for all commentators on what happened in the past to take a limited amount of evidence and use it to build general theories, which to many become fact.   I am quite sure that the glassmakers of a century or more ago would be highly amused by many or even most of the conclusions about them and their work that we build today.

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2008, 09:47:48 AM »
Very true, but both these 'facts' came from the Scotland Glass website, run by a member of this board whose comments seem very knowledgable

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2008, 10:40:02 AM »
Why would Davidson Glass be covered on Scotland's glass website I wonder? Davidson were an English firm.

Chloe, how's the camera batts doing?  If we can see a picture we may be able to add more. :)
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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2008, 10:50:23 AM »
sorry - brain freeze - I mean the Cloud Glass site!

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2008, 11:08:20 AM »
Ok - here is a very rough photo - not sure if you'll see the lion mark - there is one in the centre of the 'star' of both sides

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2008, 11:29:40 AM »
Chloe — I've just checked the two obvious sources, Thompson and Stewart & Stewart.   Thompson gives 1880 – c.1890.   Stewart & Stewart notes that the last Pottery Gazette ad showing the TM was October 1890, but that ad was the last in the PG for a long time, and that the TM was resurrected in the late 1960s after the takeover by Abrahams.   So we don't really know when Davidson stopped using the TM the first time around, so your observation is interesting, and I've pencilled a note to that effect in my working copy of Thompson.   Note that year suites may have been developed the previous year in time for Christmas.

My own observation is that the 1960s TM, possibly in two sizes, is a little spikier than the Victorian one, as though it had had a Prince of Wales dragon as one of its ancestors, and that it was only used on some moulds intended solely for the production of Marble glassware, launched in 1964 according to Stewart & Stewart, much of which was sold into the antiques trade.

Please would readers note that I am looking for a Jobling 2598 ash tray in Marble, complete with Jobling Reg No (800714) and Davidson/Abrahams lion.   I had one years ago, didn't understand it, and sold it.   Now I would very much like to check it for other reasons.   I don't need to buy one, although it would be rather nice, but just to check it.   A full clear set of photographs from every angle would be ideal (26 photographs in all — from top, angled down, side, angled up, and bottom of all four sides and corners).

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2008, 11:33:10 AM »
Ahhhhh I have moments like that too Chloe!  :cry:  Cloud Glass makes more sense.  ;D

It looks like the 1895 pattern for sure - hopefully Chris Stewart may pop along and be able to add more info for you about the date anomaly.   8)

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2008, 12:22:04 PM »
Ampersand - Have you resized your pictures to make sure they aren't too big? I make mine 400 pixels as the maximum dimension (I think)

Bernard - re. your initial point, it reminds me of something I was musing about last night.  I was looking at listings of items with 40 year circa time periods and thinking that in 100 years someone could be confusing items from the 1960s with the 1980s!

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Re: Davidson 1895 Pattern - I have one with Lion mark
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2008, 12:53:06 PM »
Quote from: Anne
...   It looks like the 1895 pattern for sure   ...

Anne & Chloe — It doesn't to me.   It doesn't look like any of the year suite patterns I've found, in the book and on the website.

I've erased my margin note.

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...   Bernard - re. your initial point, it reminds me of something I was musing about last night.  I was looking at listings of items with 40 year circa time periods and thinking that in 100 years someone could be confusing items from the 1960s with the 1980s!

Why in 100 years?   I have that difficulty right now!  ;D

Bernard C.  8)
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