Topic: Pansy weight

[mjr]

French weights are not my area of expertise. Could one of the Baccarat experts let me know what they think of this. Its about 2.75 - 3 inch diameter, typical french dished base.

 

[cfosterk]

doesn't look much like a type 1, 2 or 3 baccarat pansy.

st louis made a pansy, but again not in the style of yours....

if you think its antique then a better picture would be great yours 'resembles' a clichy-style pansy but there are other more likely possibilities.....

[mjr]

I was only guessing at Baccarat. This is a rear view.

[mjr]

and a slightly bigger front view image. Must apologise but its past 1 am, several bottles of Blossom Hill californian red (£2.99 special from Bargain Booze - nowt but the best!!!) , the wife's snoring on the end of the settee, and the images taken on the mobile phone!  Happy Easter!!

[alpha]

It will be interesting to see if anyone else thinks that it is a modern Chinese.

[cfosterk]

I was thinking early Chinese - 1920's. There are some similarities to antique french weights but nothing that fits the usual pattern/colourations. A chinese pansy may be much rarer than the antique equivalent!!

St Louis pansies 'traditionally' have swan neck stems - looping out to the side of the flower head.

Clichy pansies are not usually seen with the petals arranged at 12, 9 and 3 o'clock - unlike their Baccarat and St Louis cousins.....

Baccarat pansies are more varied - three distinct types but non match your example.

A rather good illustration of a number of antique types is in paul hollisters "glass paperweights of the NYHS" - colour plate 34.

some other possibilities are 1920's french/dupont, or even north american - the american manufacturers did 'copy' some antique designs but gave them their own individual tweaks....

intriging and i'm envious!!!

[w84it]

And you can see an American example at

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220392084786

[cfosterk]

If it is modern chinese that should be easy to prove - there will be other examples out there!!!

there is a 1920's chinese pansy in flemming and pommerenckes paperweights of the world and the odd example does turn up on ebay. I remember a faceted example a few months ago....

[tropdevin]

I have examples of pansies and other Chinese flowers from the 1920s era, and this one of Martin's looks different.

It would be nice to see a sharper image, but I think it may be a pansy from this century - ie post 2000. I remember looking at a Chinese manufacturers website a couple of years ago and there were lampwork flowers of reasonable quality on offer, including pansies, set in clear glass. The concave base on this looks unusual though. There was a similar pansy on eBay around the same time, but I have not got images I am sorry to say.

Alan

[mjr]

Some interesting comments.  My initial thoughts were French because of the scalloped base and the low profile, although the pansy does not look like the Baccarat versions.   Anyway, I have taken some better photos which are here
http://s204.photobucket.com/albums/bb198/mjryorkie/weights/