Topic: plinth for what please??

[pamela]

Paul,
your bowl undoubtedly is STS Abel
Please have a closer look whether yours is marked also with a 'star/wineglass' like mine:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/02854.html  scroll down for the base pattern and mark

Angela, thank you for your STS work !  :kissy:

Dirk,
yours and my others are Walther BERLIN, different rim and base (ilex? leaves) pattern
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00678.html

My plinth is exactly the same plinth as Paul's AND similarly slotting into the bowl's base like this facetted one:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,29705.0.html (unknown fish handled 'Pseudo-Berlin' III http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/06227.html )

ALL three plinthes are in resp. came from UK.

 :huh: :ac1:

[Bernard C]

Pamela — Ilex = Holly.

Bernard C. 

[Paul S.]

Pamela  -  thanks for the informative reply, and of course since mine does not have the 'holly' then it is not Walther 'Berlin'.   I have scoured the surface of my bowl, but regret nothing whatsoever in the way of a mark. - however, I appreciate it will be the STS Abel pattern.   The inside of the my bowl is remarkable blemish/scratch free  - might almost have been made yesterday.   Thanks for the references to Angela Bowey's news letter with a short history of the Jugoslavian STS factory etc. - very interesting.  Don't know if you commented on how you describe the STS centre motif (where the 'Berlin' has the Ilex image)  -  but the STS image reminds me of the stylised 'rose' used by the Scottish Arts & Crafts designer Charles Rennie Mackintosh  -  a very geometric outline.  Since this was a common arts movement throughout most of Europe at the turn of the C19, maybe this was a fairy common geometric image.    I like your 'unknown fish handled pseudo Berlin 111' - very detailed.    Presumably like most things, these bowls come in various sizes.......mine for example measures 255mm right across (out lip to outer lip).... or just simply accross the open bowl is 193mm.    I'm intrigued by your comment that 'all three plinths came from the U.K. - why do you think we seem to have a monopoly on plinths??       Paul S. 

[pamela]

*'all three plinths came from the U.K.*

Sorry, Paul, this was misunderstood: I did not say the moulds came from U.K., but the one under the green fishy and yours ARE in U.K. and I bought mine FROM an English seller long ago 

BTW, a similar shape was also manufactured by Inwald 
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/07032.html (open + scroll down please)

Regarding measurements, I'll verify tomorrow, however I am still convinced that both bowls' body with handles originate from one and the same mould.

To avoid future mistakes and misunderstandings: BERLIN III (roman 3) is my given name for the fishies, it is NOT a pattern # 111 - Thank you 

[pamela]

open diametre of all three bowls is between 192 and 196 mms

I attach quick shots of bases 

1. Walther BERLIN holly base
2. STS
3. fish handled unknown maker

 

[Paul S.]

sincere thanks Pamela  -  your information is very much appreciated and of course very helpful.   The size matches the figures I had from my own STS bowl.   However, can I be 'Mr. Picky' (troublesome) with a last question.     I quote Bernard earlier in the thread, where he said......."it's also Walther plinth No. 3, listed in their 1937 catalogue in three sizes, made to support their Berlin bowl".........I assume only one size was for the Berlin, the other two plinths, although similar in design were for completely unrelated items.   thanks.  Paul S.