Topic: Stuart bowls with under-plates

[Anne]

Picked these up last week as they are such a gorgeous colour - there are three bowls and three plates but one of the bowls has a wee chip in the rim, the remaining pieces look as good as new, and every piece is stamped Stuart England.   

Can anyone date them for me please? And does this colour have a name other than amber?

[Bernard C]

...   And does this colour have a name other than amber?

Anne - "golden amber" seems to be widely accepted today, but I have no information on Stuart's name for it.   I associate the colour with Stuart, Webb, RB (S&W), and Whitefriars, but not, perhaps surprisingly, with Walsh.

Have you tried it for a fluorescent response under UV?

Bernard C. 

[Anne]

Bernard, I've not tried it as the batteries have died in my UV torch (through overuse I spose!!!) I shall when I replace them (or it!)

Golden amber fits them very well, they are more orange than brown, and are just gorgeous.

[Bernard C]

Anne — Dodsworth, BGbtW, item 59 calls it "amber", however Liebe / Hayhurst, Glass of the '20s & '30s, p32 calls it "golden amber" in quotes, emphasizing it as if it was a legitimate manufacturer name.

Of course, if you're buying, it's brown. 

Bernard C.  :angel:

[Anne]

Thanks for the extra references Bernard, much appreciated.  :thup: 

BTW these are certainly not brown! ---> i.e. not the colour of this :pb:  :kissy:

[nigel benson]

Hi Bernard,

Your supposition that the quotes mean that the name is "a legitimate manufacturer name" is perfectly reasonable, but it could also, perhaps, be taken as implying that that was the authors given name. I haven't checked, but are other known, correct names in quotes within Liebe/Hayhurst?

As for your reference to brown, I remember a renowned collector who is no longer with us referred to all amber in a very derogatory way, with a particularly unfortunate four letter word beginning with 's' prior to the word brown :spls: :huh:

I am sure there are a huge number of collectors who would disagree with the word brown, let alone the reference I make, particularly since it can be so alive when lit well, but I do understand the point you make.

Lastly, the bowls appear to have the rings that were a registered design, I recall are referred to as 'Stratford' pattern. This will certainly help date the design, but the date they were made should be found through the style of the mark.

Nigel

[Anne]

Nigel, thank you so much. Armed with the pattern name you give above I searched the board and found our earlier topic http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,9362.0.html where you kindly identified some pieces that Chris and I have as the Stratford pattern too, in which you say the colours in your 1939 catalogue are given as flint, green and gold... so would these be the gold, do you think?

[nigel benson]

Doh!!!! Of course I would have written that straight from the catalogue.

You know when something is right in front of you....like that pair of glasses that you can't find.........  :huh:

Well noted Anne

Nigel  

[Anne]

Thanks Nigel, it's good to be able to tie some of these loose end topics together too.