Topic: Need Help. Is this Murano??

[Sweetglass]

Thank you for all your replies.

I was upset with the look and quality of the purchse and complained to the seller long before I actually discovered the ashtray listing. The seller confirmed that the ashtray is the one she sold.

The colours and flash are very misleading, and everyone who has handled the glass since then has agreed that it is cheap and of no value.
You are right there is a lot of fantastic feedback for the seller. But on the other hand i have extensive feedback and i have never left negative feedback.

The descrition-  "the 2nd most beautiful peice of glass I've ever had the privilege of handling and adoring" gave me the impression that they were selling something they have owned and admired in their own home, and would know the origins etc of it.

I am glad the links are there, I was not sure if you could link to ebay.

Thank you all again.

[Jindra8526]

Well, everytime when you see this type of glass - we call it "hutni sklo" always consider please the Czech origin.
It must not be old but quite recent.

Yours piece is simmlar to piece 239 from
http://www.jeskloma.com/katalog/katalog/hutni_sklo.htm

More "hutni sklo" links:
http://www.ckv.cz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=15&Itemid=20
see blown glass

or
http://www.glass.2es.cz/MainSubcategory.asp?Cat_ID=ht&New=

I will make some overview about current stage in hutni sklo and I will put it to my web to help eliminate "Murano" from eBay.

For example user Kebluzek from Czech republic:
http://shop.ebay.de/kebluzek/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Murano or Moser, he surely know that he is offering Chribska or ZBS, I will write him love letter :-)

Please give me some time, I will prepare some guide.

Jindrich
www.webareal.cy/ceskoslovenskesklo

[Max]

Thanks for the Hutni Sklo link Jindrich...there's some nice looking glass there.   :thup:

Sweetglass said:

The colours and flash are very misleading, and everyone who has handled the glass since then has agreed that it is cheap and of no value.
You are right there is a lot of fantastic feedback for the seller. But on the other hand i have extensive feedback and i have never left negative feedback.

The descrition-  "the 2nd most beautiful peice of glass I've ever had the privilege of handling and adoring" gave me the impression that they were selling something they have owned and admired in their own home, and would know the origins etc of it.

The piece of glass you bought is not 'cheap and of no value', but just doesn't look like the photos. It's for you to decide whether you think it's Murano or not before you buy. Half of this problem is down to your inexperience in buying glass on ebay and your naivety in sales techniques that some people employ.  

[glassobsessed]

It is a jungle 'out there', both on ebay and in antique centres. Many sellers have no specialist knowledge - all they want is a description that will interest buyers.

We have all made mistakes buying from ebay and elsewhere, anyone who claims otherwise is deluded. I recently bought a vase (on ebay) and did not notice a small crack in it until I photographed it, I had already left positive feedback for it and could not be bothered to complain.

The mistakes we make make us 'better' buyers, (hopefully) we learn from them and don't repeat the same mistake over and over again. The steeper your learning curve, the fewer poor purchases you will make in the long run.

John

[Sweetglass]

Thank you for the links Jindra8526  i actually have a few pieces i recognise on there passed down to me from grandparents. I always wondered about the origin.

Thanks for all your help guys. Its my 1st experience of anything like this on ebay and i'm finding the whole thing rather upsetting.

Regards.x

[obscurities]

First, I agree with Anne, this is not a Sommerso piece of glass, so it is SNAD, or significantly not as described.

Secondly, I have some very colorful pieces of Italian glass in those colors... None of it "glows" like the pictures.....

Third, and I may sound like a broken record here, but use Paypal,  use a credit card on Paypal and never your Paypal balance of funds, and then if there is any hesitation on the part of the seller or Paypal/ebay to back you on the return, dispute the sale through the credit card and they will almost immediately reverse funds and investigate. If you tell the credit card company it is not what the pictures looked like, and it is not a Sommerso piece, they will have you return ship it and it is a done deal.

Ebay is not really out to protect you... they are out to protect themselves. Your seller may or may not be concerned with you being happy..... Your credit card company cares deeply about what you buy online using their money....  Paypals credit agreement with the card companies requires them to accept chargebacks from credit card companies.... and those go straight through Paypal to the seller.... Paypal can not really contest them at all....

Craig

[TxSilver]

Adding some information to what Craig said -- it is best to dispute a charge through PayPal and not your credit card company. PayPal now charges merchants a $20 chargeback fee when a buyer charges back through their credit card company. If a piece is SNAD, then PayPal will refund your money. It may take a few days, but they will. It is best to go through your credit card company only when you are really mad at a seller and want him/her to be penalized the $20 fee. Otherwise, PayPal dispute resolution is just a good, though a bit slower.

[obscurities]

I was remiss if I did not say to try to work it out with the seller first.....  I always do.....  but if they choose to resist or not cooperate, then your credit card company is a great alternative.....

Craig

[Anne]

I think the rules are slightly different in the UK in that we're only covered by credit card co protection if the purchase is over £100? But I still think a SNAD is the way to go here.

[Jindra8526]

What is SNAD please?

In Czech "snad" means "maybe" or "perhaps" so it does not sound promissing :-)

Jindrich
www.webareal.cz/ceskloslovenskesklo