the tricky thing was that I usually feel for the marks as in holmegaard etc, but I felt nothing and didnt have the reading specs on. And please state the bleeding obvious I will not be offended. I go on our local ebay board and people say whats this and the first thing I say is have you googled it. And the answer is no. I guess like a lot of people here I get stuck and then ask,. :phew: