Topic: ID Confirmation wanted Exbor, Ladislav Oliva?

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Hi all

I bought this wonderful vase the other week, just had to have it. It looks very similar to the work of ladislav Oliva, but I can't find an exact match to it in his work. Any help greatly appreciated
Regards
Steve
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[astrid]

I remember bidding on a similar one, with clear and pink instead of cobalt, also believing it to be Oliva at the time, but I later found that one with the exact same pattern, but without the colour on ebay with a German label. Unfortunately I cannot remember which German factory it was, only that it was a German one (and I remember mostly the feeling of 'the Oliva wasn't an Oliva after all'). It's obviously a quality piece, maybe it was Hirschberg?

I'm also not sure if the one I bid on, the one with the label and yours were all exactly the same. They all had these rounded striped bits in a similar pattern sticking out at two sides of the vase, with two sides blank. Sorry that I can't be more specific and more decisive about it.

Astrid

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Hi Astrid thank you for your info. I have had a look at Hirschberg, but the pieces I have seen are all rather thin soda type affairs. I also have not ruled out Zweisel. Oh well, I will keep looking.
Regards
Steve

[dirk.]

I wouldn´t rule out german, too. The pattern always reminds me of a magnified and cut
version of Emil Funke´s design for Gralglas. Since cut glass designs are rather scarce within
their range I´m tending towards the theory, that it´s an ´adaption´ of Funke´s design
by another german company. BTW it also comes in part satinised (front and back) and the
protruding parts cut and polished clear again.
https://picasaweb.google.com/108140812446658939096/Gralglas#5631469295830823378

[astrid]

I really can't remember the company from my post above, Hirschberg was a wild stab. German companies often made both cheaper soda pieces and more high end crystal pieces.  I've yet to acquire a bit of quality Hirschberg myself. The last one I bid on sadly escaped, nearly 2 years ago, and I haven't seen one since.

Stylistically, there are a few more companies you could try that might have done that sort of design in the late 60s or early 70s: WMF, Schott Zwiesel, Nachtmann, Friedrich, Ichendorf, Rosenthal, Gral (but it's not in the Gral book that I know of), Peill (that wasn't the label, or I would have remembered). Unfortunately finding catalogues for any of these is difficult, and only the cheaper/more common pieces turn up regularly, so searching for them on the internet will most likely only show these common/cheaper pieces.

Astrid

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Thank you all for your help and suggestions. I will probably rule out Peill & Putzler as I have a few of their pieces and this vase has a very different feel, though of course the frosted/clear version could point one in their direction. While I have a couple of you with a vast knowledge of German glass could I ask you to look at this other piece on my website http://orange-alert.co.uk/ArielGraalVase.htm I think the technique is Ariel and it has a German exhibition/retail label on the base. It has been suggested that it is by Gral, but again I can find nothing similar.
Regards
Steve

[astrid]

May I ask you to put the one from the link in a seperate thread with photo? It certainly deserves one.

This seller on ebay.de has the same one, also unsigned, and calls the pattern Atlanta for Gral-glas, by Habermeier/Wiedmann. I usually don't trust attributions by ebay sellers, but this one practically screams 'Wiedmann' to me. Dirk might be able to confirm, he's collects and appreciates Wiedmann with a passion.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/HABERMEIER-WIEDMANN-Gral-Glas-Unikat-ATLANTA-Gralglas-Vase-Durnau-1967-68-/380425173223?pt=Glas_Kristall&hash=item58931b78e7

Astrid

[dirk.]

:mr.green:
Lovely piece and I´m sure it´s Wiedmann, possibly with Habermeier. The shape is also
known with the ´Pavona´ decoration. Unfortunately I can´t recall the name ´Atlanta´.
If it´s covered in the Gralglas book it may only be in the accompanying CD. Again -
unfortunately the book doesn´t show too many Unikat pieces.... 
Another ressource for attribution of this range may be the catalogue of the Wiedmann
exhibition in the Augustiner-Museum. Another book I haven´t managed to get hold of
yet.
Both ´Atlanta´ and ´Pavona´ are still missing in my collection. But I´ll have to wait for
an opportunity to get them for a good price.
And I´ll need ´Herbstwald´ and ´Stahlwolle´... 
But I won´t complain - even if it can´t be seen in my album yet, the collection has grown
nicely and when I´m finished with my move and find the time to take some pictures
I´ll add them.

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Thank you Astrid & Dirk for your speedy responses. I am amazed that you found a picture of an identical piece so quickly, having looked for two years myself. Now that is what I call teamwork. I will change the description on my site and add a thanks. Is it worth starting a new thread as it seems to be pretty conclusive from your answers.
Regards & thanks
Steve