Topic: Help identifying antique vaseline? glass vase

[tycoontim]

Hi all,

Picked up this vase the other day, but I am not sure on the maker or the age. There are some etched numbers on the base - I've done my best to read them, and I *think* they might be as follows:

06327(4,6 or 9)8

The second last number is pretty illegible - and could either be a 4,6 or 9.

The other mark looks to be '7F'

Any help on this piece would be greatly appreciated. I can provide further photos if required.

[Lustrousstone]

It's late 19th C and could be English or Bohemian. I would suggest that any marks are by a previous owner. This sort of glass is rarely marked, as that requires an additional step and therefore more cost. Mostly the stuff that is, is enamelled. When you say etched, how was it etched?

[flying free]

could it be an Rd number maybe? for registered design.
m

[tycoontim]

Thanks for the prompt reply.

I'm not sure how the number was etched - but it does look amateurish, and can be felt under the nail.

The mark that looks like '7F' appears to have been acid etched - but I don't really know anything about glass as it is.

[tycoontim]

could it be an Rd number maybe? for registered design.
m

Thanks for the idea - I will see if there's anything I can dig up with regards to that.

[flying free]

the number as you've given it (06327(4,6 or 9) would date to c.1914.  That is late for that type of vase I think? and the '0' in front is a bit odd.  Perhaps that is a letter? i.e. part of the 'Rd' which might be on there before the number.

Can you try and either read it with a magnifying glass over it, or photograph it with a light shining holding the vase away form the light so it highlights the number please?
Thanks
m

[tycoontim]

the number as you've given it (06327(4,6 or 9) would date to c.1914.  That is late for that type of vase I think? and the '0' in front is a bit odd.  Perhaps that is a letter? i.e. part of the 'Rd' which might be on there before the number.

Can you try and either read it with a magnifying glass over it, or photograph it with a light shining holding the vase away form the light so it highlights the number please?
Thanks
m

Photos of the base attached. I couldn't get a photo, or even find the other mark - so it might be that this is the only bit that's etched, after all! I've attached a few as it was hard to photograph - these ones are the best of the bunch.

[flying free]

that reads 0632798 and I think it was done properly rather than scratched on by someone
Is there nothing before the 'O' ?  I was just wondering if the '0' was actually a 'D' and therefore might have an 'R' in front of it?  Edited to add that no, I can see from your second pic there is nothing in front of it.

If it relates to a reg design number then it would be 1914 which I think might be a bit late but perhaps not ?

I wonder could it be a pattern number?
m

[tycoontim]

that reads 0632798 and I think it was done properly rather than scratched on by someone
Is there nothing before the 'O' ?  I was just wondering if the '0' was actually a 'D' and therefore might have an 'R' in front of it?  Edited to add that no, I can see from your second pic there is nothing in front of it.

If it relates to a reg design number then it would be 1914 which I think might be a bit late but perhaps not ?

I wonder could it be a pattern number?
m

Thanks for the ideas - I'll have a few places to do some searches a bit later on at least! I've had a quick look at RD numbers online, but couldn't find much there. If it's a design number - I'm not sure where I'd even go to look this up, let alone a possible manufacturer.

It could well be then, that a previous owner had this etched onto the glass itself.

[flying free]

I don't know, but if it were mine, my thoughts would be that it had been etched in-house i.e. at the maker.  So it could be a pattern number.  However unless you know the maker and can then look the pattern number up in the pattern books, that would be an impossible task.

Stevens and Williams pattern books are not publicly available as far as I know.  There are pattern number in Walsh Walsh book but I can't find mine at the moment to check.  It looks as though it might be a Boulton and Mills piece potentially but I've no idea where their number would be found.

Maybe someone with more information might be able to help.
I'll look up the Walsh number as soon as I find my book and let you know if I find anything.
m