Topic: Thomas Webb decorated Queen’s Burmese Ware vase, RD 86246, 5 November 1887.

[agincourt17]

A small posy vase by Thomas Webb & Sons Limited, Stourbridge; 6cm high x 7cm diameter. Acid etched on the underside of the base ‘THOS. WEBB & SONS | QUEEN’S BURMESE WARE | PATENTED | RD 86246’.

Sides decorated with oak leaves and acorns.

(Permission for the re-use of these on the GMB images granted by stripyzeber).

The unique feature in this design registration was ‘Shape – for a particular form of edging).

Webb also registered a design for a design for a different edging shape on 5 September 1887, RD 80167, and examples of decorated Burmese Ware with that edging shape have been discussed on the GMB at
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,2591.msg282439.html#msg282439
and
http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,28917.msg156745.html#msg156745

These two Webb design representations are shown on page 272 of Mervyn Gulliver’s “Victorian Decorative Glass…”.

Gulliver shows design representations for other rim shapes or crimps:
RD 390103, 17 November 1882
RD 390104, 17 November 1882
RD 10277, 25 July 1884.

Does anyone have photos of marked examples from these three registered designs, please?

At
http://www.glassfairs.co.uk/Articles/burmese.html
Dilwyn Hier mentions acid-marked Webb Burmese pieces from their RD 67648, (which should have been registered in February 1887).
http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/FairyLampDesignNumbers_All.html
indicates that it refers to a rim crimp shape seen on a (presumably marked) fairy lamp, (and dates the registration date to 9 February 1887) but I can’t find anymore information about the details of this design registration, or photos of pieces so marked. Can anyone help, please?

Fred.

[Paul S.]

can't help with your requests in general Fred.      I do have pix of the rims in question, from The National Archives, for Registrations Nos. 390103/104, but since you can see these in Gulliver you may not have a need for them.
The Register says - of both Nos., simply  -  "Rim or lip of glass bowls and vessels."

I shall be at Kew some time in the next 7 - 10 days, so if you have something from this matter for which a picture would be of interest, remember to add to the 'Look Up' requests.

Some of this Burmese ware looks so good you could almost eat it.        I've just bought Kenneth M. Wilson's first volume covering Mt. Washington & Pairpoint Glass, and some of the Burmese he shows is stunning.

[essi]

Not sure if i am way off the mark with what you are discussing.
In the ray and lee grover book, English cameo glass there seems similar edge detail on some of the thomas webb vessels.
hope this is of some use.

[Paul S.]

not way off at all, and is additional information to the use of this rim design as Registered by Thomas Webb, and which Fred was discussing in relation to Burmese ware only.                  Your comments show that these wavy edges, forming a specific shape, and which were designs Registered with the British Board of Trade by Thomas Webb, were used by them not only on their Burmese Wares, but on their cameo products as well. 

[agincourt17]

Thank you, essi and Paul.

I don't have access to the Grover English cameo glass book, but it is valuable information for me to be able to confirm the type and range of wares Thomas Webb produced using the various registered designs for the rim shapes/crimps.

Are the cameo glass examples marked with RD numbers?

Fred.

[essi]

Hello Fred,there seems to be a few different top edge finishes on the Webb vases and dishes.they are not the same as your example but to my untrained eye show similarities.
On the whole they are marked thomas Webb cameo but one example is signed "thomas Webb &sons-RP8016"
Hope i am not leading you down the garden path!
good luck

[Paul S.]

Don't see Rd. 67648 mentioned here, but this is where the link takes me to, so it's obviously the rim design................

Details from Kew are.......Representation BT 50/82..........and the Register is  BT 51/35

Love the upper case T and F...........   am I the only one who remembers joined up writing......  and with a dip pen and inkwell.

[agincourt17]

Thank you, Paul.

RD 67648 is mentioned in my opening post (just above the photos) and does, indeed refer to the crimp shape of the rim.

At
http://www.glassfairs.co.uk/Articles/burmese.html
Dilwyn Hier mentions acid-marked Webb Burmese pieces from their RD 67648, (which should have been registered in February 1887).
http://www.fairy-lamp.com/Fairylamp/FairyLampDesignNumbers_All.html
indicates that it refers to a rim crimp shape seen on a (presumably marked) fairy lamp, (and dates the registration date to 9 February 1887) but I can’t find anymore information about the details of this design registration, or photos of pieces so marked. Can anyone help, please?

Still can’t find any photos of actual pieces with the crimp shape or bearing RD 67648 though.

Will request deletion of RD 67648 from the GMB lookup request list forthwith.

Fred.

[Lustrousstone]

How about this one http://lustrousstone.co.uk/cpg/displayimage.php?pid=992 and it has the RD mark

[agincourt17]

Thank you, Christine - well done.

I will try and draw Dilwyn Hier's attention to these posts.

Fred.