Topic: Green roemmer

[Antwerp1954]

I'm not a big fan of these German style roemmer glasses but this one took my fancy. I don't know when and where it was made.

I believe the material is lead glass - it has a wonderful ring when tapped. The glass contains small air bubbles and some inclusions and there are toolmarks on the bowl. The stem is decorated with prunts and the foot has concentric rings on it. The base is quite flatbut has a broken off pontil mark.

Any ideas? Many thanks.

[bat20]

Hiya,i've seen these described as bristol green roemmer William iv, 1830ish.

[Paul S.]

not something that I collect either, and regret unable to date the piece  -  this green has been around for a long time.

However, just wondered if in fact this particular construction is classified as a roemer  -  those I've seen usually have a wide hollow stem decorated with prunts, and a flared foot decorated with trailing.            Perhaps it depends on which country you're in.

[Ivo]

wijnglas met halfronde kelk, de cilindrische schacht versierd met noppen en een draadglasvoet, bestemd voor rijnwijn. De inhoud ervan staat niet vast, aangezien voor de glazen verschillende hoogten worden opgegeven, variërend van 6,5 tot 30 cm.

This is the definition of Roemer in Dutch. "Wine glass with a semirounded bowl and a cylindrical stem decorated with prunts, destined for Rhine wines. The content is not given as for these glasses different heights are given ranging from 6,5 to 30 cms."

[neil53]

Hi Stuart, dating roemers such as this is not always easy but one indication is how the trailing on the foot is produced.  In the earliest roemers the foot was made by a thick trail of glass that was coiled like a snake to make the foot.  This was then replaced by a plain glass foot onto which a thin trail of glass was spun.  More modern roemers have moulded feet to produce the same spiraled glass effect.  These moulded glasses are indented on the inside of the foot to produce the coiled ribs on the outside and are easily spotted.  I can't see properly from your picture as to which type of foot the glass has (probably my eyes rather than your picture).  Early 19th century roemers should not have moulded feet.  This is my understanding of their evolution.  Hope this helps.

Best wishes
Neil

[dirk.]

Here´s a diagram I photographed in an exhibition, which shows the earliest developments from
´Krautstrunk´ (now, if that doesn´t sound german lol) to Römer/ Rummer.
Stephan´s site shows a lot shapes from 19th century onwards when you follow the links at the
end of this page:
http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/buch2.html

Personally I´d say your glass is 20th century, not at least because of the fire polished pontil
mark. 

[Antwerp1954]

Thanks Neil and Dirk

Taking into account the info you've very kindly given me I tend to agree that it's 20th century. But I only paid loose change for it - sio I guess that's cheap learning!

Thans

[dirk.]

I didn´t mean to diminish your find with this dating. I think it´s a well-balanced and skilled
modern interpretation of an old shape.
I wouldn´t be surprised if someone more knowledgeable in this area would be able to
attribute it to at least a good house, if not even a known designer of the early 20th century.

[Antwerp1954]

Dirk - reply does not diminish. No problem from my end, I'm just trying to learn and seek the truth.

[dirk.]

 
BTW I just found on the Theresienthal pages that the slightly squat shape might indicate 1930´s:
http://www.roemer-aus-theresienthal.de/nach1930.html