Topic: 19th century opalescent plate with aventurine rim, English or Murano?

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Thanks Paul, you pipped me this time.

None of the four in the photo have an aventurine rim like mine. Again, according to Cottle at the time Sowerby used aventurine as well as the technique of trailing. Can't see if any of the four have a fire polished pontil mark or not.

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Thanks Paul for so much information. 
John yes, I say Sowerby Art glass you say Salviati glass, let's call the whole ...
In fact that could be , I say Salviati glass, you hear Sowerby Art glass.  mmm indeed.

I'm very curious to know more about the pattern numbers etc on those opalescent blown glass items. I'm not sure this would be considered a source of identification would it?
'family lore has it that they were made at Sowerby in the early 1870s by Italian glass workers employed there (Cottle page 75). These wares do not seem to have been advertised anywhere but apparently Nottingham Castle Museum has many more.'

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http://blackcountryhistory.org/collections/search/?q=Sowerby
Sowerby Venetian jug here just for reference on colours and style
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I forgot to mention, for what it is worth the pontil mark is larger than typically found on Salviati's wares, which usually show that quite a small diameter rod was used on the smaller and lighter items.

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John there was also a maker in Scotland making Venetian style glass around end 19th iirc.
I cannot remember their name but know someone mentioned them in relation to a vase Ivo had (white filigrana) - I'll try and find the thread.

I'm adding a good picture of a Salviati opalescent stand with an aventurine rim so readers of the thread can see the type of glass being discussed in the Barr Venetian Glass book as a comparison, and also to compare to John's plate.
http://www.rossellajunck.it/pagina3centrotavolasalviati.html
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John what diameter is the pontil mark please? 

Alexander Jenkinson was the maker I was thinking of.
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this is a ribbed Salviati plate with a trailed rim (hope the link works)
The diameter of the pontil mark on my dolphin ewer is 13mm ish

http://www.archiviodellacomunicazione.it/Sicap/ShowDialog.aspx?TITLE=VIEWERTITLE&TBL=OA&ID=304368&Ext=jpg&Folder=&MODE=VIEW&OPAC=DEFAULT&WEB=MuseiVe

If it doesn't, I typed girasol into the search part and it's the last item to come up on page 8 using that method.
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All I have is an image of drawings of lampshades reproduced in the book "SCotland's glass", from the Holyrood Glassworks Venetian designs, copyrighted from the City of Edinburgh Museums and Galleries, in relation to Jenkinson.
The handwriting beside the images is not easy to read, even with my best glasses and a magnifier.

The designs themselves may well be consistent with the design of these plates - there is coloured trailing on rims and throughout the pieces, I can find no mention of aventurine though.

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John do you have Raymond Slack ?
reference in there to Sowerby producing handblown glass -
and also reference to them developing opalescent glass for their pressed blanc-de-lait -
but... as far as I can make out I can't see that there is anywhere in there that specifically says they produced handblown opalescent glass.  There is nothing specific but I think there is information that could be misconstrued/misinterpreted.  I've not time to type it up at the moment but will add the two excerpts later.

This is a jug from Jenkinson just for reference - not opalescent though
http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-100-103-225-C
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I've found this but there is nothing there I'm afraid, that would link to your plate - sorry.
It shows all the pieces they have from Alexander Jenkinson

http://nms.scran.ac.uk/database/results.php?field=who&searchterm=%22Alexander+D.+Jenkinson%27s+Norton+Park+Glass+Works%22&searchdb=scran

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