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Offline bat20

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Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« on: February 22, 2015, 09:30:03 AM »
Hi all,I've got this down as a water tumbler from about 1910 for what that is worth,I'm guessing mould blown ,it's 10cm ht with a nice ring,any thoughts many thanks.

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2015, 11:50:05 AM »
judging by the all-round curve at the base I'd suggest this is part of a 'tumble up' or carafe and 'tumbler set', rather than a stand alone tumbler.
The second half of the C19 was awash with such sets, with a variety of decoration, although the majority shown in S. & F. don't have this everted rim.
If the base decoration is cut, then this will be where the pontil scar might have been removed/hidden, after the top had been finished.

Pheasants, and other animals have a long history of appearing on tumblers and related pieces  -  you could be right about the date  -  or this could be 30 - 60 years earlier than you suggest.            What in particular makes you say 1910??       Divining age on the screen is fraught with difficulty, but nice piece and all you want now is the missing carafe ;)

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2015, 12:11:14 PM »
Thanks very much Paul,it did begin to dawn on me it could be a part of a tumble up and lack of wear may back that up,not sure why I thought it could be that date just a feel thing which is normally unerringly wrong ::),so not to clutter things up I have another one,much later maybe,with very sharp cutting that may you like to cast your expert eye over,it has the same engraved vine motif and a very classy ring.

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2015, 02:09:09 PM »
there is a good reason for one item only per post - it helps to avoid confusion when the answers come in ;D

So - reference your second tumbler.....    I agree it has the same sort of curved bottom and therefore the assumption might be that it would have been partnered by a carafe.
But the cutting plus engraving are signs of a quality that isn't usually found on such sets, so regret I'm not confident of its intended use - it may well be a stand alone piece, and in view of the largish area of flat polished base it may well be Continental rather than British.
A point to bear in mind with engraved pieces is that whilst features such as cutting are almost certainly contemporary with the date of manufacture of the glass, the engraving could potentially be later.    Such examples are where names and dates are applied for christening and marriage events on existing tumblers.
The vine and grape motif has very long history, and was still being used by Walsh around 1950 on their 'Fruiting Vine' pattern, so no great help there with dating.
Take it that you have scoured the base for any marks or names.

The type of cut lattice decoration on this second piece, plus the general looks, suggests to me very much the C20, but it's not an easy piece to date, but again attractive - the engraving looks to be well done.

If pushed I'd suggest somewhere around the 1920 - 1950 period, but have a feeling I'm guessing only.
Sorry it's probably not the answer you want  -  and have a feeling you won't feel pestered with replies :)

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2015, 03:06:25 PM »
Thanks again Paul I always learn something from your replies,it is one of those you might expect to see a mark on the base ,but no sadly no.the only other thing to mention is that the base is not completely flat with a slight recess in the centre.

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2015, 03:10:03 PM »
A tumble-up with an upside down pheasant on it? I thought tumble ups have either a flat inside bottom and be supported by the everted neck of the carafe, or a straight rim to sit on a ridge around it.  I find it hard to see how this one could work. 

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2015, 03:51:05 PM »
would agree that in most sets the tumbler is supported by the everted shoulder of the carafe  -  but at least the pheasant would be the right way up when you were drinking ;)

Have to admit that I couldn't see any tumble ups with this type of everted rim, so believe Ivo is implying this is a stand alone tumbler then.

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Re: Tumbler with engraved pheasant?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2015, 05:01:19 PM »
Thanks chaps,so this must be quite an unusual tumbler i would think.

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