Topic: 'Half-post' method jugs?

[nick.a]

Hi,
Having seen a number of 'German' 'half-post' method bottle and decanter shapes on here, I was surprised to find these two jugs which I believe are made using a similar technique (maybe). If they are half-post, why would they be made this way, and if not, what technique causes the fold/ join at the 'neck'? They are 5 1/4" or 133mm tall and have a 3" or 76mm rim diameter.
Any information on these is gratefully received. TIA.
Kind regards
Nick

[Paul S.]

hi Nick  -  could be wrong, but I'm really not seeing what I normally consider to be half post appearance, on these jugs.              Half post to the best of my knowledge doesn't start/stop at the sort of junction you're suggesting here i.e. exactly where the bulbous body meets the vertical neck.
Unfortunately, the combination of colour of glass and lack of contrast doesn't show that part of the object to best effect, so really can't see if there is in fact that usually noticeable decrease in thickness of glass that is usually very apparent on half post, where the outer second dip finishes.     

sorry to be dim

[chopin-liszt]

 
So I wasn't the only confused one.
I have a deep-seated personal dislike of the term "half-post", which has its origins in something relevant to bottle making, but subsequently got used everywere.

Basically, it's exactly the same as a partial casing, which does not extend to the neck or rim of whatever it is on.

I'm on a mission to replace the term "half post" with "partial casing".
I can't make out from your pics what's going on, but can you find the top of a layer of casing that doesn't reach the top of your jugs?

[Lustrousstone]

I suggest a very small green bubble has been blown into the bottom half until it touched the walls and then burst. That's often how thin internals layers are created.

[chopin-liszt]

  Is that the same as half-post or something different?
(I never understood the explanation of half post, it was all wordy, I needed a series of  illustrations.)
hiya

[nick.a]

Hi all,
Thanks for your replies and apologies for any misuse of terms. I was under the impression that half-post referred to the fusion of two parts of worked glass (bottles /decanters mainly) to make a whole, usually at the neck.
For clarification, my jugs appear to have been made in two parts with the neck having an internal lip/fold where the 'join' is, creating a slot onto which the base has been attached( i think as Christine suggests, but I'm not sure what the interpretation of 'burst' is). I hope I haven't confused the issue further.
I must admit to be at a loss as to why you would make simple 'cream' jugs in such a complicated fashion.
Best regards
Nick

[Paul S.]

almost certainly not a half post then, Nick.                  Christine will correct me if I'm wrong, but the essence of a h.p. is that the first dip is blown and then whilst still plastic is re-dipped for a second gather and blown again.              Historically, presumably, the second dip came only about half way up the object, hence use of the word 'half', but it seems that - as far as bottles are concerned - most outer casings end rather nearer to the top  -  somewhere around the shoulder of the object.              This is seen commonly on decanters from memory, and is unmistakable when you see it

[Lustrousstone]

I don't know anything about half post. I was merely suggesting how the colour was applied to the bottom half only. I don't think the jug body was made in two pieces, as it appears to have been blown into a ribbed mould with a clearly defined waist to me

[Paul S.]

and you were my hero - I thought you knew everything Christine            that's ruined my day

Apparently the 'post' bit of the phrase was taken from the French word 'Postes' which I think means a gather of glass............  but, anyway, we've had the bottle reference site on here probably many times, and here it is again, for everyone's edification.
Start by looking in the Glossary at the sub-heading 'German half-post' and then follow the various other links within the text - a very interesting read......

[Mod: Failed link removed. See next post for a different link to the same place.]

[chopin-liszt]

I was just about to post exactly the same link - yours doesn't work for me Paul, so just in case...

https://sha.org/bottle/glassmaking.htm#Half-post%20method