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Author Topic: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?  (Read 7596 times)

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Offline cdm1christopher

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2018, 12:30:01 PM »
I bet you would like my piece of orrefors by Nils Landberg designed 1940 for American market but never exported because of WW2.  The foot is unique as it was redesigned so pretty rare.  The foot is Smokey grey/amber and is full of uranium.  I'll post couple pics later.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #41 on: July 25, 2018, 07:57:32 PM »
Here we go hope you like it.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #42 on: July 26, 2018, 06:06:42 AM »
Nice  ;D

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #43 on: July 26, 2018, 05:40:13 PM »
Just thought I'd leave this here in case this comes up in future:

From Glas wolf, an opaline uranium glass becher apparently dating to c1835 Biedermeier period.


https://www.glaswolf.de/Biedermeier_Becher_U.281+B6YmFja1BJRD0yODEmcHJvZHVjdElEPTIyNTUmcGlkX3Byb2R1Y3Q9MjgxJmRldGFpbD0_.0.html

'Biedermeier Beaker Uranium Glass
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A footed beaker. Uranium glass, Neuwelt circa 1835. Annagreen chrysoprasglass. Scalloped foot. Bowl with high cut ornaments of leaves and silver painted scrolls. Inverted rim. Gilding rubbed. Height 14 cm / 5,5 inch.'

Another one here dating to c.1840 from the same source.
https://www.glaswolf.de/Biedermeier_Becher_U.281+B6YmFja1BJRD0yODEmTD0xJnByb2R1Y3RJRD0yMjU0JnBpZF9wcm9kdWN0PTI4MSZkZXRhaWw9.0.html

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #44 on: July 26, 2018, 06:07:10 PM »
see above post.

Also in reading the book Farbenglas I by Waltraud Neuwirth  on page 279 and 280 the writing under the Heading 'Chrysoprase Composition' is all about green glass ranging from 1831 to 1857.
After describing many glass items in green made between those dates it continues in the same paragraph:

'Without exception, contemporary glass batches (chiefly opacified glass) contain uranium, mostly in the form of uranium oxide'.

There is no doubt from the way that sentence is written that it is referring to the glass dated of that period and discussed in the same paragraph in the wording directly preceding that sentence.


I am not suggesting for one moment that the OP's item was not made c.1860. 
The style and design is similar to items dating around that date.

But according to my books there was uranium opaline glass produced in Bohemian in the 1830s and 1840s.




Having looked around, the foot and stem and the gilding design have some similarities with this set c1840 apparently from Theresienthal/Bayerische Wald.  It might be worth looking into a little further as a potential for the maker.

https://www.antiquitaeten-schlemmer.de/glas/assets/glas-dessertservice_gr1.jpg

scroll down to see the set
https://www.antiquitaeten-schlemmer.de/glas/glas-19-farbglas.htm#objekt3

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #45 on: August 15, 2019, 02:30:10 PM »
This is a report written in 1843 and published in the Mechanics Magazine in 1845.  The whole report is published in that link but you have to skip from section to section as it is published in a sector format and so has 'to be contd.' at the end of each of the previous issues. 
On page 427 starting near the bottom of the left hand column

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=p9pQAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA427&dq=bohemian+opaline+glass&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi29bbN-4TkAhUymVwKHY19AEAQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=bohemian%20opaline%20glass&f=false

1843 - :
'A great quantity of opaline glass-coloured green, is also manufactured in Bohemia: formerly it was prepared by adding to colourless glass a certain quantity of calcined bone powder, yellow oxide of uranium and oxide of iron (finery cinder). 
This colour is altered after long exposure to solar light.  For some years past it has been replaced at Winterberg and Silberberg, by a more beautiful colour, due to calcined bone powder, yellow oxide of uranium and oxide of nickel. ...'


I believe this is describing green uranium opaline glass.

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Re: Baccarat unusual vase any ideas on date?
« Reply #46 on: September 13, 2022, 11:43:06 PM »
Your vase is definitely Bohemian and was exhibited at the New York Exhibition in 1853-1854.

It was exhibited with the name E. Stainer attached to it.  The description says it came under the Austrian Department and 'They are also of the celebrated glass of Bohemia, and possess it's general characters.' 

See page 109 of attached Exhibition catalogue. The bottom right illustration, left hand item is your exact vase :) :

https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_World_of_Science_Art_and_Industry_Il/Zjk_AAAAcAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=hock+glass+1837&pg=PA220&printsec=frontcover

https://books.google.co.uk/books/content?id=Zjk_AAAAcAAJ&pg=RA1-PA109&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&bul=1&sig=ACfU3U0eZQYs0GprEKefoXRBmzqlTqqKpw&w=1025

According to page 193 of this link E. Stainer was an importer:
https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Official_Catalogue_of_the_New_York_Exhib/X8uz6Iebr4sC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=E.+Stainer+bohemia+glass&pg=PA193&printsec=frontcover

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