and some more from 1866 and 1868 ……………..
one …… Reg. 204182 dated 28.11.1866 - Michael & Lewis Beck, London.
Unfortunately, another name about which I know nothing, but suspect they were importers, wholesalers or agents, rather than
manufacturers.
What is intriguing on this one are the initials J.D. & Bro. which can be seen in the lower left hand corner of the original factory
drawing, attached - so might this have been an item made by James Derbyshire & Bro. specifically for Michael & Lewis Beck?
two ……. Reg. 218486 dated 29.04.1868 - Kerr Webb & Co., Manchester - am sure the spelling of 'Ker' in Ray Slack's book is in error
(which he appears to repeat for all Registrations for K & W.) - doubtless he was mislead by the equally incorrect spelling sent
to the BoT, and which can be seen on the original factory drawing shown below.
Anything relating to C19 glass production, and involving the name Webb, has the potential to be very confusing - the 'Webb
dynasty' was very long lived - from the dying days of the Regency until well into the C20 - and their connection with the
Richardson's and Andrew Kerr makes for interesting reading - see Hajdamach and Gulliver for dates and some company
history.
Andrew Kerr was certainly trading from Prussia Street Flint Glass Works (Manchester), in the late 1870s, though whether on his
own or not I'm unsure. Certainly if you read the interesting extract Neil posted some time back ..
https://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,35645.msg193464.html#msg193464 …..
the litigation being discussed with Kerr and Webb against Percival Vickers in 1871, appears to show that Andrew Kerr and
Thomas Webb were appearing as joint plaintiffs, so presumably they were in business together at that date, which is supported
by the fact that this Registration lists their names jointly as Registrants.
As to Neil's question regarding the allotted time scale for protection of U.K. Registered Designs - during the 'lozenge' period -
this was for three years only, although this did increase to five years post 1884. Not sure why I should be surprised that
Prussia should have allowed a seven year time limit for similar protection, but it did strike me as not what I'd have imagined.
Have a feeling I've commented on this particular point previously, somewhere.
The fact that Kerr & Webb lost their action against Percival Vickers might suggest that the three year protection offered as legal
security for Registered Designs, really gave nothing substantive in law, and this very point may be the answer to Neil's query as
to why so few manufacturers appeared to decide not to Register their Designs.
three ….. Reg. 221497 dated 10.09.1868 - Kerr Webb & Co.
four .... Reg. 221795 dated 19.09.1868 - Percival Vickers & Co.
As usual, anyone is welcome to add to the above, in whatever way, additional information that increases our knowledge is always welcome.
I doubt that I've seen any of these four designs, so hopefully someone might have an example to show - the design of the P.V. goblet looks to
be heading in the direction of how several late C19 goblets evolved - lenses/thumbprints etc.