Topic: CLICHY rose information and rarity

[BLUE HARVEST]

I have an old clichy garland weight, which has a number of solid green roses and a central solid purple rose cane. I've had many Clichy weights over the years, but don't recall ever having one with solid green roses ( I may have had one other purple one in the past). I was always curious as to whether any members of the board with more expertise, had any thoughts as to which are the most common clichy rose types and which are the least? Many thanks

[KevinH]

I am sorry but I do not understand what you mean by "solid" Clichy rose canes.

Perhaps a picture or two of the weight would help.

[BLUE HARVEST]

I meant that it was basically made up of one colour, not a combination (green over pink for example). Here's a photo of the weight :--

[flying free]

My french is not good but in the book one in green appears on the page about their early period weights and one in white with violette outline but none in completely violette petals.
There is a comment about the roses on that same page 340 which reads '...very rarely yellow, purple,blue or green'.  It is not clear from the way it's written whether it means very rarely with outline petals in those 4 colours surrounding white petals or whether it means very rarely the whole rose has all petals in one of those 4 colours. Or indeed whether the very rarely comment refers to both of those options.  It's not written very well from that perspective.
The green one shown on page 340 looks like those in your weight.

[BLUE HARVEST]

Thank you for the information. Which book was this by the way?

[flying free]

La Cristallerie de Clichy.

You're welcome.

m

[paperweights]

Very nice paperweight.  I can't answer your question about the rarity, but I like the color setup of your paperweight.

[KevinH]

Thanks for your explanation about "solid colour rose canes". My simple response is that I don't know whether such canes are more rare than others.

From what I recall within the usual literature, including PCA Bulletins, rarity of cane types is briefly discussed. But in respect of "Rose canes" it is the "type of Rose" that has been regarded as a main focus. Also, colours used may also be of interest in terms of common or not.

Andy Dohan's dictionary of canes book may have more info.

[BLUE HARVEST]

Thanks for taking the time to post the info- the only other example I can find with the same green rose was from the Batiste collection sale in 2003 at Sothebys (lot 252). It sold for strong money, but it was a larger basket weight and much nicer than mine. I've found one other with a purple rose that was sold in 2016, but I'm pretty sure I've seen others in the past. There used to be more images available on google, but many seemed to have disappeared over the past couple of years. Probably a change in their algorithm.

[tropdevin]

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Paul Dunlop's recent book on Clichy has over 30 illustrations of Clichy rose canes.  He defines 12 different colour combinations, with 6 of these being single colour.  All 6 are labelled 'very rare', except for the all white rose.  I think I would have said 'rare', given the number of them I have seen.

Alan