Topic: Dartington, Frank Thrower?? Or Ravenhead Flair Lotus, or Lasisepat?

[rosieposie]

Hi px, it looks as though it is going to be an eternal mystery then,  because although the smaller round petalled votive type pieces have some sort of identification ie ITALY molded in the base,  all my larger 'cactus' vases and shallower versions, have nothing to define the maker, except the two in the Flair box by Ravenhead.  That pattern is called 'Lotus' on the pack by the way. So how will I ever know if the ones I have are Finnish, Danish or English?  :huh:

[px]

Yep, rosie, I suppose the origin of your particular bowls will be an eternal mystery as there are no marks and it seems they have been produced in many places. 

I still haven't seen the highest vase here of the cactus shape 'Lotus' but - I haven't been looking much.
However - I want to add just to gather information of them:  I have ref pictures of the middle size in both blue and rosa colours with the LasiSepät labels. These colours are also found in the mentioned flower shape bowl. Another typical colour for LasiSepät is a bright green.

[flying free]

Thanks px.  I like the sound of the green and the tall cactus (Lotus) bowl would be gorgeous in green    I must keep a look out.
m

[rosieposie]

Hi px  :hi: when you say you still haven't seen the cactus shaped lotus, do you mean you have never seen one in reality, ot haven't seen a picyure of one?

I wonder if it might be easier to differentiate between these bowls by giving them the names on the Ravenhead boxes, instead of continuing to call them 'cactus' vases.
I will refer to the smaller one as 'Lotus', and the larger as 'Table Piece' from now on, as I think the name 'Cactus' was coined when it was thought to be Dartington Glass, designed by Frank Thrower.....but then again,  how can I be sure?  I understand that Dorling and Kindersley has it listed as a Frank Thrower design for Dartington Crystal!!  Oh how quickly urban myths become fact.......... :help:

[px]

rosie, I mean I cannot remember having seen  the highest Lotus vase live nor do I manage to find a picture for reference here in Finland at the moment. But like I said I haven't looked much or long so let's see. On the other hand - I see many other Lasisepät votive models having been done in that higher shape of a vase too, very much in a similar way.
(example in this flower model: http://www.huuto.net/kohteet/lasisepat-kynttilalyhty/187070517 )

Urban myths come a fact quickly - I might even predict it may be hard NOT to call these vases "cactus" in the future!  

I am very happy to have learnt another English word from this site ! "Cow Parsley" !!!!  :thup: That's what these "hay or tree" patterned are also called here in Finnish. So that is I will refer to next time I talk about the pattern that in this thread has been seen with Italy molded and made in Denmark and Humppila.  (I do not know why it is - probably mixed with the other flower patterned? - but believe, however, that this model was not ever produced by LasiSepät)

Many threads - eternal mystery... http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php?topic=18176.0  

[Anne]

Just as an aside, really... Cow parsley is a wild plant which grows like a weed along the edges of lanes here in the UK:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthriscus_sylvestris but is also common in Sweden apparently:
http://flowersinsweden.com/Anthriscussylvestris_page.htm

[flying free]

Lotus/cactus vase and bowl, tall and short for px
not  great pics sorry.
m

[px]

Thanks m !! Nice to see them in the same picture ! 

Anne, thanks for clarifying that to everyone. Sweden is not that far from Finland, cow parsley is quite common here too.
Let them keep their cow parsley and let's hope we won't find a Swedish, glass company mixed in any of these items!  :X:
There's quite enough in these we have in mind so far.
 :ooh:

[rosieposie]

A few more pics to go in the archives:
Three of the box, with the small Lotus dishes, and a picture of two of the Lotus dishes showing subtle differences.  The Left one is slightly smaller and a more brilliant glass quality with no perfect matches for any of the 'points', only very similar.  Might be they were different molds and different glass batches, or, perhaps one of them is Lasisepat.

More pics to follow in a minute.....

[Lustrousstone]

I suspect the Lasisepat could be lead crystal. The Ravenhead ones certainly aren't.