Topic: Info on a pink paperweight... ID = Perthshire Paperweights PP1 (pics gone)

[Max]

Here's my pink paperweight.  I know it's nothing fantastic, but can anyone give me a little more info?  I must be honest and say I'll be selling it on ebay soon, as it's not really my cup of tea!  I don't know where to start with describing it though!

Thank you.


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[Leni]

I think Perthshire, as I said last night   :wink:

No doubt Kevin will put me right though.  I think there's something about the rows of canes - the pattern can be one, one, two, two, like yours or one, two, two like mine and I'm not sure of the significance with regard to ID, dating, etc.

I still think a good description of the colour is 'surgical appliance pink'  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Leni  xx

[Anonymous]

Yes....Perthshire or Deacon 80/90's era....too crisp for the Ysart family...
.. Hopefully very shortly someone will supply you wiyh the PP number


Regards



Gareth

[Max]

I think there's something about the rows of canes - the pattern can be one, one, two, two, like yours or one, two, two like mine

Is the way the canes are distributed a means of identification then?  Do different companies stick to certain ratios?  

<scratches her chin with interest>


(Surgical appliance pink...ROFL!)

xx

[RAY]

yep leni 1 1 2 2 and i think pp5 or pp6 kev will know for sure

[Frank]

The logic both with Strathearn and PP confounds me, here are two examples from 1988 and 1995 of Perthshire PP5

[KevinH]

Hi folks,

> ... kev will know for sure
Really? I wouldn't go as far as that.  :!:

But I will try to answer all the points raised with a bit of analysis:

Yes, the clear, crisp setting of the weight marks it as likely Perthshire Paperweights rather than Vasart or Strathearn - but there are some very nice Vasart and Strathearns of a similar pattern that hold their own in the quality stakes.

Yes, the way canes are distributed makes a difference, but not such that we can definitely rule out one or other makers. And within maker, it's quite confusing too!

Anyway, the thing I note first is the crispness and "cogginess" of all of the canes. When I see this, I start looking in the books for Perthshire Paperweights to see if there is a matching pattern, and yes there is. It could be one of: PP1, PP2, PP5 or PP6 (and in each of those there are variations in the patterning).

The fact that there is no central "P" cane (according to my eyes) helps to sort this out, as does the base finish, which is often an important factor in paperweight id. Another factor we need to know is the size (diameter).

There are two PP6 patterns and one is the same as PP1. But PP6 was made from 1972 and had a central "p" cane as well as a hollow ground base. No "p" and a fire polished base says it's not PP6.

PP5 is confusing because there were various designs within that designation. As with PP6 one pattern is similar to PP1 but as with PP6, the base finish counts this one out.

What about PP2 or PP1? The basic difference between these is the size. PP1 is "large" (3 inch) and PP2 is "medium" (2 1/2 inch). For both of these designs, before 1978 there was no "p" cane and the base was fire polished. If it was from 1978 or later it would have the "p" cane and hollow ground base. From 1982 there was a visually different pattern for PP1 and the one we are considering is not one of those.

So, if its 3 inch it's a PP1 made from 1969 to 1977. If it's 2 1/2 inch, it's PP2 also from 1969 to 1977. These were regular production weights rather than limited or annual edition pieces.

I did not focus on the number of twist canes as this is one of the confusing points. It seems that most of the PP1 / PP2 patterns before 1982 had either 13 or 14 twists canes forming the spokes. But weights with greater or fewer numbers of spokes also exist. Max's weight has 12 spokes and I have one with 15. I will also say that my weight is 2 7/8 inch diameter, so it's probably a case of nearest size when considering "medium" or "large".

I hope I've got that right ... there's nothing easy in this game.  

[Frank]

Snap  :lol:

[Leni]

Thansk for all that info Kev!  

I'm really pleased I got Pershire right, anyway   :lol:

My 'early Pershire' weight (at least that's what I was told) is very like Max's but in greeny colours (not 'that' pink!) It's 2 & a half inches, has a fire polished base, no P cane, 1,2,2, pattern and eleven 'spokes'!  Which type does that make mine?  

What would we do without Kev's brain to pick?  :roll:

Leni

[Max]

Dear KevH

I read your posting with the air of a child seeing algebra for the first time.  My synapses are still jangling!   :shock:

I'll simply have to get a couple of books, and try and sort this out. I have no idea what PP1, PP2 or any of those other PP numbers mean.  All I can firmly say is that this paperweight is 2.78" diameter, so I'm not quite sure where that leaves me!

Thank you for your posting, I can see you went to a great deal of trouble for me, unfortunately I simply don't have the paperweight wherewithal to understand it very well!  .....but I will one day.  x