Topic: Hand painted enamelled glass hunting scene Maker? 19th C?

[Andy]

One from the bowels of my shelves that id love an opion on

Its a drinking glass or beaker, 5 1/2" tall, fairly thin glass, it has a Hunting scene on it,
outside a pub, typical Olde English scene.
I am 99.9% certain the picture is hand painted, presume enamelled and not a transfer,
Any ideas on a Maker welcome, the technique used? and my guess on age is late 19th Century,
maybe early 20th, but again all views welcome. (no pontil mark, some striations in the glass
suggesting age)

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5473
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5472
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5471
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-5470

Andy

[Cathy B]

Hi Andy,
How do you know it's not a transfer? Can you see brush marks, or is there some texture to the picture?

[David E]

Andy, I suggest you look at the following thread:

http://www.glassmessages.com/index.php/topic,6965.0.html

This is in the Slumped and Transfer Printed Glassware forum where this topic may be better sited after it has run its course here. One of the mods will move it if/when appropriate.

I'd hesitate to call it 'hand-painted' as Cathy suggests, seeing that transfers have been around since the mid-19th C

[Max]

Perhaps it's a hand tinted transfer?   

[Andy]

Hi all,
well, ive had a really really close look, there is texture and brushwork, but im now
pretty sure there is probably a transfer for the outlines, and then the colour has been
added by hand. The ground and greenery is like a wash, the thickest part is the red coats,
so i would imagine you would call it a hand tinted transfer!
Thanks for your help, does this point to a maker? I would still imagine its c100 years old
Cheers
Andy

ps the wispy clouds appear to have been applied and shaped with a thumb or finger,
theres traces of a print

[Cathy B]

If it's a hand tint over a transfer, the back and the front of the pattern will show differences. If you look at it through the inside of the cup, there will be differences - maybe the lines will be blacker and thicker. Could you get a better close up?

[Andy]

Cathy,
Im never going to get a better picture, my photo skills are just not up to it
I think the transfer was just the outlines  of animals and people, and the branches on
the trees and bushes, probably the building , slates windows etc all just in black lines,
then all the colour applied by brush
It must have taken someone a lot of time and trouble to finish it ! I wonder if it was part of
a set?
Andy

[Frank]

I think it is just a transfer and as late as 1950's

[Andy]

Frank,
you may well be right

I think its a bit older, its not going to make my fortune, i will pop it on
ebay ,more for hunting enthusiasts than glass collectors
I think ive wasted enough of peoples lives (including my own) on this one
Andy
 

[sph@ngw]

The test is to take a jewellers spy/eye glass and look very closely at the outside edges! A tranfer has a cover coat, a sort of protective resin. When that volatises, arounmd 490 to 520 oC it leaves a slight shadow. I agree with Frank; transfers and 1950's but do not recognise it as Nazeing, or Mayhil, but we did thousands of hunting scences which were very popular post war until mid Sixties. Olde England,tradition, last gasp of the hunting shooting brigade pre Swinging London! When did Matthey Transfers ( part of Johnson matthey the gold producers) start up? Is there a pattern book in a Stoke Museum?