Topic: Age and Information please.

[Paul A]

Hi could anyone put a value, and date to this loving cup style glass please.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6374

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6375

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6377

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6376


Also could anyone put a value and date on this piece please.

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6381

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6380

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6379

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6378

[David E]

Not many members will give valuations here due to the fluctuations and trends of the market. If you want to resell, then put it on eBay and it will reach a price depending on what people are prepared to pay for it.

[Leni]

Not many members will give valuations here due to the fluctuations and trends of the market. If you want to resell, then put it on eBay and it will reach a price depending on what people are prepared to pay for it.

At the risk of getting sent to the cafe, I'd like to say that IMHO this issue of not giving valuations is getting a bit obsessive!  Suppose someone just wants to know a value for insurance purposes?  Telling someone to 'just put it on ebay and you'll get what people are prepared to pay for it' could be seen as a little bit ... er.... well, less than polite, I feel.   

No offence meant, of course, David! 

[David E]

None taken, Leni!

However, in my defence: what is it worth? Who can provide a definitive statement on the valuation of any collector's item? Before eBay the movement of glass around the country was very limited and prices would remain fairly static, but with worldwide access to data and information, prices have been seen to plummet on some items, only to revive a few years later. What's worth hundreds to some people is worthless to others.

In other cases, prices remained low for many years, only for the fortunes to revive under a resurgance of interest. But how long before prices drop again?

On the other hand, a price could quite easily be given that's "carved in stone", only for someone else's opinion to be vastly different and give another end of the spectrum. It is all very subjective. I agree that some prices can be given for the top-end of collecting, but even then it can only be a price range.

And what "valuation" do we give? Auction, Online store, Shop? They are can all differ. And who really goes by what a Miller's book tells them?

So, feel free to give a valuation, but Paul, don't necessarily expect to achieve that on a resale. You might be lucky... or not!

Far too many variables and vagueness for my liking!

[Pinkspoons]

I'm with David on this one. My reference site won't contain valuations of any kind, and only essential references to rarity (or otherwise).

The fear that I have with having both the reference site and the shop site is that people wishing to sell the same Holmegaard pieces will take the prices from my shop as a blanket value for them when trying to plonk them on eBay where as likely as not they wouldn't sell. My shop site is, I'll openly admit, aimed at the mid-high end of the market, not an eBay audience.

As David says, prices vary greatly depending on where you're trying to sell something.

[Ivo]

in the early days of Internet there was alt.rec.antiques which since went down in flaming trolling and bitching - but whenever anyone asked for a valuation the participants all said "100 dollars". It was a sort of running gag....

[Paul A]

Thank you for the replies again. Millers are not the best at judging how much a collector is willing to spend on an item ,but to consider the looks of an item and to compare one piece from another they aren't to bad. I felt white interiors were a good indication of holmegaard, and as I have some more rich coloured white interior glass I felt to be holmegaard ,I do now wonder.
 Thank you Leni for your words. I was not to know this was a sore point. But as I now do, I will not ask for any values unless they are given willingly. The help with indentification will be more than good enough.
 My collection of all types of glass got out of hand some years ago ! Yet I still love and buy any glass I am drawn to. I enjoy the feed back from this site, I don't know anyone close by to fully go though my collection with me, so I am grateful to all comments made in reply to my pictures. I also understand a photo is not the same as handling an item, so a real study of an item is made harder. Thanks for all continuing help.

[vidrioguapo]

Hi Paul, as David has said, valuation of any item is difficult to assess. However for what it is worth, if I want to know a valuation on a known piece of glass, I would try to locate some pieces on e-bay, and watch them to the conclusion of the auction.  This will usually give you some idea not only of value that e-bay buyers put on it, but also give a clue to its current "popularity."

I collect Whitefriars glass.  Now sometimes a piece on e-bay will sell for say £40.00, and then I will see one in my local auction house (exactly the same pattern) go for twice that price (+ auction fees). On the other hand I have seen other Whitefriars items at my local auction house go for less than can be achieved on e-bay.  This peculiar scenario much depends on the period of the glass.  Auction house buyers seem to want current trendy Baxter, and ignore the more fluid earlier pieces by W.Wilson, James Hogan .

So I guess in conclusion I am saying you have to do some research on your items to discover the best selling place.  However, if as Leni has said, you may need a valuation for insurance purposes,  then try to discover a specialist dealer to provide the information. Hope this helps.  Emmi

[David E]

Well I must apologise if I came across a little short, Paul, but my comments are still valid. You weren't to know, but valuations are always going to be a bit of a grey area.

But as you point out, identification is half the problem and will go some way to finding an answer.

[Cathy B]

Not many members will give valuations here due to the fluctuations and trends of the market. If you want to resell, then put it on eBay and it will reach a price depending on what people are prepared to pay for it.

I agree David, but with a small caveat: You're more likely to find the top market value on eBay if you make sure you have the identification right, use appropriate keywords, have attractive pictures and list the piece under the right category/subcategory. I'd suggest doing as Emmi says and watching a similar piece on eBay.