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Offline Decolucretia

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Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« on: April 30, 2007, 09:59:22 AM »
Wondering what members of the board think about this figure.   Ebay no. 110120876169.

I have this exact figure (with a peg bottom that fits into a frog) and always thought that it was a Brockwitz figure but the seller claims it is an Ingrid line figure.  Which is correct?  Was there more than one maker?  ???
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2007, 12:36:51 PM »
Hmm, fascinating question.  Brockwitz was German, and this is marked "Czechoslovakia", so something's odd.
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2007, 09:05:01 PM »
I jump into it and would say it's a copy
www.pressglas-pavillon.de - mind her coiffure
Brockwitz shut down in 1941 and the moulds may turn up somewhere else
By no means it is Ingrid of Hoffmann/Schlevogt
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2007, 10:44:10 AM »
Thanks Cathy and Pamela for your replies.  I suspected that it wasn't Ingrid but wasn't sure.  I've seen the lovely lady on your site Pamela and my figures look like that so my fingers are crossed that mine are not copies.  The figure pictured on ebay didn't look quite as "sharp" as it should though it's so hard to tell looking at a photo!  ::)
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2007, 09:11:02 PM »
Hi Lucretia, any chance to see a photo of yours' please?  Have you indeed got several? Different colours? AND - main question is: Are yours positioning the same way as mine: right arm is higher than left arm? This may be important for us as collectors, because in that 1936 catalogue of Brockwitz our ladie's left arm was positioned higher than right and the veil covered her left leg.... But I presume this was just a mistake by the painter - they produced it the other way round?
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Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2007, 09:30:48 PM »
Quote from: pamela on May 01, 2007, 09:11:02 PM
Hi Lucretia, any chance to see a photo of yours' please?  Have you indeed got several? Different colours? AND - main question is: Are yours positioning the same way as mine: right arm is higher than left arm? This may be important for us as collectors, because in that 1936 catalogue of Brockwitz our ladie's left arm was positioned higher than right and the veil covered her left leg.... But I presume this was just a mistake by the painter - they produced it the other way round?

Hi Pamela - happy to post photos but will need to take some later today and then post this afternoon/evening.  I have a clear frosted one and a pink frosted one (sadly no matching bowl with either).  Yes, the arms are positioned the same way as yours - the right arm is positioned higher than the left arm and the veil covers her right leg.  I've never seen the Brockwitz catalogue that displays this figure - could you tell me where it is possible to view one? 
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2007, 09:47:51 PM »
I shall ask the owner of the catalogue and post it upon receipt - for this purpose please mail your address to my email address indicated on www.pressglas-pavillon.de   :D
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Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 06:43:22 AM »
Thanks Pamela - much appreciated.  I'll send my details as discussed.  I've attached a few photos - they're not great but should do the trick.  I realised that both figures are exactly the same except for the level of detail in the hair and face.  The pink one appears to have clearer facial features and lots of detail in the hair - the clear frosted one does not have as much detail.  Perhaps the clear frosted figure is a copy?  Certainly the frog is not correct.  What do you think?  :o

http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6781
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6783
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6780
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6782
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6785
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6787
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6784


 
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 08:28:07 PM »
Newest mail from the owner of 'Brockwitz 36 catalogue' is:
Pressglas-Korrespondenz DID turn the pictures! Our figurines are exactly as pictured in their original catalogue! SO HAPPY  :D
The owner of that catalogue also asked me to point out again the following:

After WWII GDR was always in urgent need of foreign exchange - old moulds of the Thirties if available were used to produce glass for export!

And this is the reason that you and I find all these beauties in the British, Australian market again today! I am happy with that - and long time ago I have abstained from believing that these findings are pre-WWII - ALL of THESE are made in German Democratic Republic by VEB (Volkseigener Betrieb)! Well, the moulds are pre-war at least and I love that glass  :P
Lucretia, if you would let me have your email address to
arminewa add aol dot com
I'll send you the original scan from the owner of the catalogue :)

After that, we are going to investigate your white one... your pink one indeed looks genuine!
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Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
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Re: Is this a Brockwitz figure or a copy?
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2007, 08:04:24 PM »
BINGO, I think I've got it:
her left eye should be same horizontal level with left elbow - the white eye on ebay is far below!
What do you think please?
Lucretia is so right, it's more or less impossible to determine from these photographs - but I'd wish you go with me ;o)
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Die Erfahrung lehrt, dass, wer auf irgendeinem Gebiet zu sammeln anfängt, eine Wandlung in seiner Seele anheben spürt. Er wird ein freudiger Mensch, den eine tiefere Teilnahme erfüllt, und ein offeneres Verständnis für die Dinge dieser Welt bewegt seine Seele.
Experience teaches that anyone who begins to collect in any field can feel a change in his soul. He becomes a joyful man filled with a deeper empathy, and a more open understanding moves his soul.
Alfred Lichtwark (1852-1914)

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