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Offline Ohio

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European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« on: September 16, 2007, 03:55:54 AM »
Hi. Picked these two items up the other day & one I found on BlackPoppy's site & the other I cannot find  at all. Are there any attributions to either of these two? Any assistance is appreciated. Thanks, Ken

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2007, 08:01:28 AM »
You've only posted your fishy bowl! It's a Markhbeinn Poisson Volant, which may or may not be in green uranium glass. see his girlfriend on Pamela's site

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2007, 03:40:17 AM »
Thanks Christine for the info...its very much appreciated. Ken

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2007, 03:08:40 PM »
Certainly does appear to be an Inwald "Poisson Volant" centrepiece, pattern number 9830,  with frog, p/n 12865 and bowl 12868.
So questions, does the fish have a peg foot or are frog and centrepiece one piece?
What is the diameter of the bowl in cms?
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Marcus

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2007, 10:41:27 AM »
Marcus — Yes, the fish statuette does have a peg fitting into the separate flower holder, although I once saw one glued in.

Marcus & Ken — See this topic for discussion on the missing plinth.

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2007, 12:09:23 PM »
There are a number of variants of this pattern, I have seen examples where the frog was a smaller mushroom shaped moulding integral to to the float bowl rather than being a separate item (in both cases the fish was separate and with a peg foot); I always felt this to be earlier as it more closely resembles the illustration in Markhbeinn. The pages from the 1937 Markhbeinn catalogue I have seen (thanks to S. Geiselberger) do not show any plinth with the set.

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2007, 12:24:03 PM »
My fishless  :cry: bowl has an integral flower block and it glows like crazy. Mind you the Murano cockerel doesn't seem to mind the lack of fish

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2007, 12:28:50 PM »
Just what was fashionable.   I wouldn't expect a European catalogue to necessarily show plinths, as plinthed centrepiece sets were very much a British style.   It is instructive to see the photographs of Pamela's fascinating museum, as there is hardly a plinth to be seen, yet many, perhaps most, of those sets sold in Britain would have been supplied with plinths.

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2011, 11:53:16 PM »
Did the Czech firm Inwald produce car mascots (radiator ornaments) in the manner they produced flower frogs? I have a green satin glass fish, identical to the fish shown in this forum. The difference, however, is that a metal cap on mine is affixed to its undersidr. It is more like a car mascot than a flower frog.  My tentative hypothesis (purely a guess) is that perhaps Inwald produced car mascots in the 1930's or so, but when car mascots grew out of favor Inwald used the same molds to produce flower frogs. In any case, the green satin glass flower frogs by Inwald are identical to my green satin glass fish with the metal undermount suitable for mounting on a radiator. Any thoughts on this?

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Re: European Flower Frog & Flower Black/Vase
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2011, 10:12:43 AM »
 :hi: and welcome to GMB!

A detailed picture of yours would be nice indeed  :)

There are similar but different fishes that came with this Inwald centrepiece - two for comparison are here: (scroll down)
http://pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/02733.html

I've got a third one in green which is different again  :usd:
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