Topic: Hanging thorn basket

[Leni]

Mervyn Gulliver, in his book 'Victorian Decorative Glass' on pages 183 & 4, identifies hanging baskets in this style as being "similar in design to one shown in the pattern books of H.G. Richardson c1885". 

Does anyone know who else made this sort of thing? 

And the green glass basket is NOT uranium glass!    But I like it anyway 

[heartofglass]

What a nice basket, Leni!
The frame is particularly ornate. You know I have one, but mine is a dead ringer for the ones in Gulliver's book, that is, the frame doesn't have the extra pinched decoration on the stem like yours. Mine has a pale blue over opal cased basket.
Hmmmmm....That non-vaseline greenish colour & extra pinched bits could be Stuart?
Have a look at the pieces the Gulliver i.ds as Stuart elsewhere in the book, thinks like baskets with lots of pinched decoration & vases in a similar shade of green.
Whatever it is, I love it!

[Leni]

Thanks, Marinka.  Yes, I had wondered about Stuart, and also some items with pinched-work which Gulliver attributes to Webb! 

I would have thought it should be possible to compare the crimp patterns and the flower and leaf effects with pieces known from patterns books and registered designs, then we would know which glass houses used which tools.  Does this idea sound 'off the wall' to you?  I wonder whether anyone has done this sort of research?  I know some 'prunts' have been attributed to certain glass houses. (And of course Berrnard counts ribs!  )  Perhaps I should have asked Mr Gulliver himself, when I met him at Gaydon 

[heartofglass]

The concept of i.d-ing by comparing pincerwork designs with known patterns sounds great. We, & others, have plenty of items with distinctive applied decor & pincerwork. My hanging basket has a daisy-head pattern pincered all over the base, for example.
Such an idea would be an excellent avenue to pursue for someone with access to relevant pattern books or catalogues (sadly not me!)
Lucky you to meet Mr. Gulliver (& thanks once again for that very nice peloton vase you purchased from him for me ) I'm sure if I met him I would certainly get into a very long discussion about the finer points of Victorian glass!

[Bernard C]

... And of course Berrnard counts ribs! ...

I count pattern repeats, Leni, and, as you are fully aware, so does Mervyn Gulliver, and an increasing number of others.   You might be surprised how useful it becomes after an initial period building up your knowledge base.

Bernard C. 

[Leni]

Been away for the weekend, so just following this up. 

Thanks, Bernard.  Yes, I wish I had a fraction of your experience and knowledge base!   

I find the pincer-work patterns fascinating, but often I find it's actually easier to 'see what you're looking at' by photographing and enlarging, rather than looking at the actual glass!  Unfortunately, I don't have enough examples yet to compare them   

Another thing I have noticed is the colour of the green glass.  I actually stood my new piece next to another example in non-uranium green, and realised that the colour of the glass was identical!  However, that piece had a totally different style of pincer-work    But a third piece in non-uranium green is also identical in colour, and has similar pincer-work too! 

Anyway, obviously I must collect more examples in order to compare!  (That's what I tell my husband anyway, when we go to yet another glass fair and I see something I MUST have!    )

Here's a couple of pics of the pieces I was comparing it with, anyway.