Topic: Large Ruby gilded Goblet, with coat of arm's.

[Sue C]

I have looked for this coat of arm's every where, can anyone identify it or it's maker? there is a mark to the base, maybe lower case r r s.
It is 10 1/2 ins tall.
Thank you in advance.

[Frank]

Arms do not look English... so you need a heraldry site and terms in French and German.

[Sue C]

Thanks Frank, i will see what i an turn up.
BTW, I tried to post another little pot, but got a message saying upload file is full, please ask a moderator, ?

[Anne]

That'll be me (in my Tech Support hat) then Sue, as Mods don't have access to that bit of the works. I've sorted the problem and you should be able to upload again now.

BTW Sue, have a look here http://www.heraldica.org/elsewhere.htm - there may be something that will help you ID the arms.

[antiquerose123]

that is beautiful Sue C.......

There is a book that you can get from the library that has to do with the Coat-of-Arms, and research.  This book was most helpful to me when I was researching the Silverware (lion passant, etc...) we have from 1750.  I forget the name of the book...something like *Fairbarns* or something like that.  It also had a break down on what items meant in a coat of arms.  Eg.  A gloved hand (with tassles) was referred to as a cubit hand, gloved and cuffed...

I also had contacted both Leeds Museum, and the V & A (Victoria and Albert) Museum when I was I was researching this silverware.  They will know the name of the book that I am referring to....and like anything....IF you perhaps sent a pic to them, they *might* be able to help you more.....or at the very least, direct you to the name of the this book to obtain from your library (research material)......just ask for a curator there......

Hope that helps some....

I will dig around here, as I know I have the exact name of this book somewhere here in my papers.... :spls:

[antiquerose123]

This is the book that I am referring to Sue C.......Fairbairn's book of crests of the Families of Great Britain & Ireland. Vol 1 Holt p244 you can get from the library....and here are some other sites:

http://www.fleurdelis.com/bookstore.htm

http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/links/herrefs.shtml

http://www.heraldry.ws/coafaq.html

http://www.ceu.hu/medstud/manual/SRM/biblio.htm

http://www.heraldrytoday.co.uk/heraldry_books.htm

http://www.hagsoc.org.au/main/index.php?page=heraldry_books

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~sfreer/coafreer.html

[Sue C]

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone, i had a mail sugesting there may be a Scotish / French connection, so i have mailed the Scotish Heraldic Society, and see what i get back if anything ??

[alexander]

The type of crown in this shield can indicate a noble, possibly from france, italy, spain, netherlands.

I looked around the net, most british shields I found used helms instead of crowns,
not that this excludes Scotland in any way.

The cherubs are supposed to be bearers of glad tidings. 

http://www.fleurdelis.com/meanings.htm

Hope this helps some.

[Ivo]

not wishing to rain on your party but chances are that the heraldry in this piece is fictional. The work looks Italian, btw.