Topic: Double overlay Pepper/sugar pot, hallmarked 1848 , Birmingham

[Andy]

Done it!
got better pics of Hallmarks, i didnt know i could use the extra digital zoom with the Macro,
works fine, Sue, hope this helps
The neck of bottle is longer than the cap. I presume it twists of to refill it, theres no screw, but its
very tight, dont want to force it!
Andy

[Sue C]

Hi Andy, i am afraid that hall mark is for Birmingham 1899,  and i dont think the silver top belongs to the bottle, i would think more like perfume as Frank suggested.
Hope this helps? 

[Andy]

Hi Sue,
you may well be right, how about the mark next to the Z which looks like a duty mark, I think
the Queens head?

 

Ive just rechecked the hallmark site, the seller of the pot had said it was 1899 , reading up,
the duty mark, the Queens head, stopped in 1890, mine has , i think a faint queens head, and
this type of glass seems to have been fashionable at mid 19thC so i think im right in 1848.

And, good news, i was brave, and twisted hard, top came off quite easily, and is a perfect fit,
the top of the bottle is polished ,not ground
Ive got a few doubts on your suggestion now.
Andy

[Sue C]

The queen's head would still be there for 1899, it changed to Edward V11 IN 1901 .

[Frank]

The shaping of the Lions shield does appear to be a better match for 1847.

I had not noticed the mismatch of the top to the base  :huh: which puts the cass among the pigeons again (for Max  )

[Sue C]

It's the date letter wich gives a better idea of age, with the clipped edges and the shape of the letter Z also to the assay office shape being the same clipped edge.

[krsilber]

If the base and top are mismatched, and that seems a strong possibility in spite of the fact that they fit well, it throws this whole thing wide open, since opaque cut-to-clear was and continues to be widely made.  Is that what is meant by putting the cass among the pigeons?  I looked "cass" up in my dictionary, but it wasn't there.

The only thing I'm very confident of is that the style of cutting, not the punties but the lines, is not mid-19th C Bohemian.  I think that without identifying a maker that used either the blank or the exact outer color it will be impossible to positively identify this, or even date it.

[aa]

Is that what is meant by putting the cass among the pigeons?  I looked "cass" up in my dictionary, but it wasn't there.

try cat

[Frank]

Colours are often not that good a guide as many colour makers had an international market. Interesting about the straight lines as to my mind the design is very circa 1900 - so if we eliminate the cap...

I just looked for the size, no mention, how high is it?

As to Cass, well  that was my dyslexic fingers... in this case substantially worse as I originally typed casts (Guess who is reading up on cast glass) but spotted the mistake and then  removed the wrong letter. Cat amongst the pigeons just came to mind for back to square one because of Maxs' project.

[Hotglass]

Interesting about the straight lines as to my mind the design is very circa 1900

Exactly my thought since the start of this thread.
Also tend to agree re mismatch of top with base.
The glass neck seems to flare slightly towards the body - does it ?
How big is it ? It seems too voluminous for a pepper shaker.
Ed.