Topic: Cloisonné mystery

[flying free]

  of course I meant Frank not Bernard 

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[krsilber]

Just happened on another similar example of this sort of decoration, this one by Durand:
http://www.wheatonarts.org/museumamericanglass/exhibitions/pastexhibits/1988distinctivelydurand/photoalbum/photoalbum_photo_view?b_start:int=2

[Frank]

Remarkable examples, would love to see closer details.

[krsilber]

Was looking for Kny stuff, and happened on this Monart Cloisonne example, second on the page:
http://www.woolleyandwallis.co.uk/cataloguepast.aspx?SaleID=115

[flying free]

I was looking for something else and came across this thread again.
Frank this is a complete longshot but I don't suppose this could have come from Dartington could it?
I'm thinking of the Alchemy range they did and wondering if there were others, but not that particular range?  The things that may preclude it could be a) size, this one seems a lot larger than the Alchemy vase I had or I have seen mentioned B) the rim, If I recall correctly the Alchemy rims are cut and polished and c) the base.....ok that's a lot of differences  but I am still wondering whether it could be?
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[krsilber]

When I looked at this again, years later, I was struck by how much the network of red looks like it was painted - the lines look like brush strokes.  Now, I know that is probably not what it is - the crackle thing makes sense, but...what if?  What if a resist was painted on, then the rest enameled, then fired?  The thing that bothers me is the uniformity of the line thickness.  It does change a little, but compared to other examples it seems pretty uniform.  The ends of lines are wide and often look like brush strokes.  Just an idea.  EDIT:  never mind, that's a silly idea.

[chopin-liszt]

I've not seen this thread before.  :hi:
I would completely rule out RB. Far, far too thick and lumpy.
WMF gets my vote.
I have a white crackled piece, (over clear glass, which at one point in time had had a lining of silver metal) and the white stuff has this pearly sheen.
It's also a very WMF sort of shape.

[Frank]

Dartington Alchemy not a chance.

Shape is just a variation on one of the oldest styles of vase!

WMF does seem to be the only candidate not eliminated.

[chopin-liszt]

(memory failed completely at recalling a third item   :pb: )
Agreed, absolutely NOT Dartington Alchemy, Frank.  Not whatsoever, nohow!

[flying free]

I wasn't suggesting it was from the Alchemy range  :sun: I was asking whether or not someone at Dartington could have made this vase during the time they were producing the ranges for the Studio type stuff or using outside designers.
As a matter of interest what are the reasons for it absolutely not  being by Dartington?  Rachael Woodman and Neil Wilkin both worked at Dartington (I'm not suggesting it was made by them at all, just using them as an example) as did other glass artists I believe.  My thoughts were triggered by aa's suggestion of a possible contemporary maker who might have made this.  Does the glass itself in some way preclude it being a more contemporary piece?
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