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Author Topic: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?  (Read 1986 times)

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Offline rosecottagesales

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Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« on: August 18, 2008, 01:54:50 AM »
Hi people. I have 2 ladies holding a water carriers (one blue and the other one in uranium / green). Both ladies are the same size. However, the only thing different between the 2 figures is the flower frog. The blue flower frog is in one piece and the green one is split into 2. Are they both Walther made? Cheers..Brenton

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 06:38:17 AM »
it wouldn't surprise me. Arabella comes with an attached frog and with a separate frog

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 06:44:52 AM »
Thanks for your reply. I get sometimes confused with Walther glass. I read a lot on the internet and been advised that some pieces could be made by another company :-\

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 06:49:23 AM »
I think it depends on which bowl she was intended to sit it. Walther seems to be very mix and match

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 06:56:11 AM »
Hi again Lustrousstone...It's not the mix and match thing that confused me...I think it's the colour and the glaze (matt or gloss) whether or not the pieces are made by early Walther or later or by the another company using the original mold by Walther

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2008, 10:27:29 PM »
Hi Brenton,I have the blue with split frog and the pink with the complete frog and I have noticed that if you look under the complete frog there are 2 indentations where maybe they would be split? The Orla bowl with the down turned rim has a raised ring in the middle that houses perfectly the frog without it slipping off.Thanks Nige
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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2008, 05:15:17 PM »
Both frogs, whether attached or not: never seen before...
There are at least 3 or 4 Walther frogs - attached or not - but yours are completely different, I must say.

Orla fiigurine: please will you try to photograph them at the exact angle each in one picture? And also show the base of the single one?

http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/01352.html

By the way, I do judge this one to be a fake Hollanderin - clear base!:
http://www.pressglas-pavillon.de/tafelaufsaetze/00666.html

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 06:45:33 AM »
Hi All..Many thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.

Pamela, here are some pics of the Orla.

Also, mind sharing, why did you say the Hollanderin link sent by you is a "fake" copy? How to ID the genuine and the "fake" ones or How to ID the genuine Walther pieces and those made by other Companies using Walther original molds?

Cheerio

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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 11:51:18 PM »
Hello Pamela,

Does the pattern differ at all, or is it just the lack of satin finish on the base which gives it away?

 (And by the way, did it come from Spain?  ^-^)


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Re: Are these Orla Ladies by Walther?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2008, 11:32:42 AM »
I am also completely lost with this!
I've had examples of several designs, including items with no satin effect on the foot.

I've compared the 'fake' and the 'genuine' (defined as above) and it is really hard to tell whether there is any variation in the pattern at all! The mould would seem to be identical, and the only 'diffentiations' are the sort of thing you find comapring ANY two objects of the same design (air-bubbles in different places etc.)

It seems apparent that we will need to help ourselves along by trying to get a detailed overview of the (very small) variations which cause the authenticity to be questioned.
The three factors to keep in focus are
1) is the item satined all over (including the foot) or does it stop where the figure section is covered by the frog?
2) Is the height identical (there seems to be a possibility that the 'fakes' are very slightly smaller!
3) Is the item accompanied by a frog from the right Walther period/Does it match with a Walther bowl (e.g. colour)

I examined the two shown left of picture, and was surprised that there was almost NO(!!) perceivable difference in the moulding. Perhaps naievely, I expected the 'copy' to be a little 'blurred' , but couldn't confirm it with my eyes.

It also seems reasonable to wonder whether the genuine moulds may have moved factory in later life, or whether a second period of production took place without being catalogued. (Both of these are well-established events in the history of other similar factories)
Iron moulds for pressed glass were considered part of the 'design asset' and companies which stopped production often sent(/sold) the moulds to a continuing glass factory. (Their value, like the knowledge of how to use them also disppeared with surprising speed once factory was closed!)
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