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Signature N Orr '68 fox engraved goblet = Norman Orr Edinburgh crystal blank
Ivo:
Almost certainly hand made. First the bowl was made in a flatbottomed conical mould, then the stem attached; stem and foot were made in a single piece and finished in a clapper (a wooden implement to make it smooth, even and circular). Clappers came into use after the 1870s, so on no account does it predate that, but you had already figured out it was modern. I can tell - not just from the photograph but because I have that exact glass - unfortunately without fox. It gives a high clear tone when tapped but it is no crystal - it is a semicrystal, so it is probably British or Czech. Also, if you see a fox - look for Brits or Bohemians (cherchez la vixen!)
The "N. ORR '68" does not have to be a signature - it could be after an engraving by Nathaniel Orr, who was a most prolific illustrator in the 19th century.
Ivo
ps. Sorry to hear about your maxident - but if I were you I'd blame it on hot glass....
Frank:
In which case, get in touch with Edinburgh Crystal and ask them if this was someone who engraved for them.
Max:
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Ok, I'll try that. Thanks for altering my thread title Frank, it might help too. I'll email Edinburgh crystal tomorrow - hope they can help! :)
Ivo...thanks for an interesting post! You would have the same glass, you've got a representation of just about everything glass related! :roll: xx :D
I loved learning about the 'clapper'...I'm going to investigate that more, and you're right, I was thinking it might be crystal...as it does have a nice 'ping'...I've never heard of semi-crystal. Crumbs! This goblet has turned in to a right learning curve for me!
Thanks all. :D
Max:
On the subject of my engraved goblet, I wrote to Tony Gilliam, a member of the Guild of Glass Engravers (www.gge.org.uk) Leni's hubby, Jonathan and I had a merry time making an engraved paperweight with him at Art in Action.
http://glassgallery.yobunny.org.uk/displayimage.php?pos=-6503
He said the goblet itself was 24% lead crystal, and he recognised it immediately as Italian. This company makes huge quantities of glass, and is a favourite with glass engravers.
He said the engraving itself is done by copper wheel (as Frank suggested)
Of course, I'm a bit disappointed that I haven't bought anything too exciting, but the thrill of the chase was kind of fun. 8) :roll:
Thanks to all for their help. xx
Max:
Mod: I've moved this topic back into Glass for the moment
Frank maybe?
I've got David Encill here at the moment and I happened to show him this goblet, he said immediately 'Norman Orr'!!
Seems like it might be a match? What does anyone think? :)
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