Topic: Herringbone Vase ? Bucket ? Cooler ? Not Monart

[roget123]

Peter,
 :oops:  Sorry I seem to have confused you slightly.  When I said that Nazeing's herring bone pattern was not as well finished, I was referring to Monart examples, not the vase you have - although, as you point out there are several flaws in the decoration on your vase - and dare I say it,  :roll: more so than if Nazeing had made it.

regards Geoff

[paradisetrader]

Thank you Geoff for clearing that up - it does make more sense and yes you dare say it. My interest in this vase has become much more intellectual curiosity than anything else so I'm quite realistic about it and happy with whatever should be finally decided.

However the design and shape seem very English to me. I have some interest in Bohemian production of the early C20 and have not seen anything the like. Any thoughts on age ?

[Frank]

I tend to use words like bubble instead of parison... usually... but when time is short :?

I had only looked quickly at the fault, so looked again. It is just a small piece of a different colour that got mixed on the marver.

Interestingly it would not be an easy vase to make, count the stripes and you will realise how many teeth the dip-mould had in it - that was not cheap. Yet, the irregularity of the stripes could mean that it was dipped more than once in a mould with less teeth. An approach that is very tricky as I suspect you would need to marver each time and not twist until the colour was complete. Quite tricky, perhaps AA can confirm if it could be done that way.

Not so sure I agree it is an English shape but that is just my opinion.

[nigel benson]

Hello everyone,

I have just been going back over recent entries since I have been away and needed to catch up.

So, here's my twopenny'th.

I have never managed to find out who these pieces are made by. They turn up from time-to-time in this green colour, pale blue or fawn and in a number of shapes. All have a coloured, or tinted, casing with the white enamel used to give the pattern. The shapes (taken as a group) are not synonimous with any particular factory - particularly not British.

There are a number of other look-alikes that have a similar feel, which "copy" Monart in particular and/or have similarity to Nazeing, but their finishing, style and colour do not conform to either factory. Usually, in the past, they are all referred to as Czech - without any concrete proof at all.

As an aside, Geoff, is there a link that proves Nazeing copied Monart's herringbone technique? Or is it just a question of chronology? After all they could just as easily have been influenced by Powell's herringbone, or lattice, technique.

Nigel

[Frank]

Or anybody elses herringbone. Technique is older than Monart.

[nigel benson]

Hi,

A very good point Frank .

Nigel

[paradisetrader]

Thank you Nigel.
That makes it a lot more understandable.

As to the shape it is not entirely dissimilar to Monart shape RG only about double the size.

Indeed it's the size of this thing which is still bugging me. I joked in my initial posting that it's almost big enough for a wine cooler. It is 10" (exactly Bernard !!!) x 7.5 inches (exactly) dia at the rim.

In fact I have just tested it with a wine bottle and yes it is big enough !!! So could it be in fact a wine cooler ?

Or did they just have huge bunches of flowers in them days of yore ?

Which bring me to my final irk ...a date....or rather deacde  ...guesstimates welcome if only for fun ...ANYONE !!!

Max kindly sent me a link to this http://www.stylendesign.co.uk/classic/G174.html one which is pretty much the same except much smaller.... :roll: 6" in height instead of 10".
So part of a "range" it would seem.
Seller suggests Webb or Stevens and Williams and "Art Deco"  :roll:
edit : now changed to "probably Nazeing"

[Frank]

I still find myself leaning to Nazeing... reason being that the quality of workmanship suggests ability tempered by the need to keep costs low. Nazeing was in a market-place where the up-market outlets were selling Monart and Nazeing was being retailed in the gift trade. Most of the Nazeing of this period 30-50's that I have handled exhibits this somewhat opinionated quality. The best pieces tooj it a stage further with better attention to detail and quality. Vasart suffered in the same way.

The 50's were a very buoyant time with rapid economic growth the rise of European consumerism and the evils of the market economy. In this atmosphere there were a lot of people getting into the industry and suffering various fates. Vasart nearly collapsed after the deat of Salvador and Nazeing managed to stay flexible enough to adapt to the market and are one of the few surviving through that period... AND they still exist!

That confusion has been added to the Nazeing collecting market since Geoff's book can be frustrating to collectors but it is not a bad thing. What is emerging is an awareness that there were other glassworks in that period that may have produced similar items. Snippets of this research are circulating but we have to wait for the research to be completed and published... in the mean time keep collecting what you think is 'probably' Nazeing and one day you may discover that you have an almost unique collection of the "West Tottenham Art Glass Company" glassware alongside the Nazeing

[nigel benson]

Hi,

Maybe I'm being a bit slow tonight, but I really don't understand what you're saying here Frank:

"Most of the Nazeing of this period 30-50's that I have handled exhibits this somewhat opinionated quality."

Nigel

[Kosta]

Hi, I've just registered. There is a mistake on our site,  http://www.stylendesign.co.uk/classic/G174.html. We believe this to be Nazeing, but just have to get around to changing it!

It has a polished pontil. We have Nazeing that was bought from the Nazeing locale which also has a polished pontil. It has the same feel as this piece. It's not certain of course, and needs a better picture. We have seen several different shapes, also attributed to Nazeing.
Hope this helps or adds to the confusion!