Topic: Herringbone Vase ? Bucket ? Cooler ? Not Monart

[paradisetrader]

Seeing Geoff Timberlake posting I thought I'd better get this LARGE vase on quick. Hopefully Nigel and others will contribute too.
  If it were just a little bigger it would be a champange cooler.
It has been described by the leading world expert in Ysart glass as "Monartish but not Monart".

Whole Vase
Detail of "hatched" pattern
Base with ovoid polished pontil
Is it Nazeing ?
and finally
What is this "fault" all about ?
Is it considered serious / bad ?
Or just part of the process ?
Is it an indication  of poor Nazeing quality control ?
All views welcome
 Thank you ....Peter

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[Glassyone]

Can't assist but would like to comment, it looks like a real 'who dunnit'. The pattern is something the like of which I have never seen before.

I think the fault is a quality contol slip.
Ruth

[Max]

I think you should take another photo of the Zanfirico (that's it, isn't it?) technique there Peter.  Not sure you're really doing it justice with that photograph.

 :?

[Ivo]

http://tinypic.com/dcq0wk.jpg

Good question. And while you're at it, can you have a look at this one? Same technique with yellow and light blue stripes.  Bought in an antique store in Santiago de Chile - and I 've seen a similar one there in a ball shape. Wonderful piece, the bottom is ground flat but not polished.  Height 11" - was quite a haul as hand luggage.
Funny enough, it has been described by the leading world expert in Ysart glass as "Monartish but not Monart".      

[Frank]

Nazeing certainly used a similar technique but I was reluctant to claim this could be that... it could be. The fault is surely no more than a gap in the enamels. Some glassworks might class it as a second whereas others would be more pragmatic.

[roget123]

I don't think this is Nazeing either. Certainly Nazeing copied the herringbone technique used by Monart, but on the example I have seen, not as well finished. However this item is more complex than herringbone and I wonder if it might be from Italy or Czech Republic maybe.

Perhaps Nigel will cast some wisdom on the subject.
Geoff

[Connie]

What about Harrtil? Isn't that what this technique is called?

(Connie - dumb American who is probably confused by all this furrin glass)  :wink:

[glasswizard]

This is certainly a puzzler Peter. I saw the word enamel used and I was under the assumption that enamels were applied to a glass object, this looks like the hatching is part of the actual piece. Being across the pond so to speak I don't have much experience with the glass that is being mentioned, Monart etc. But like Connie will throw out a name and see what happens. How about Gray Stan? Is that a possibility. Terry

[Frank]

Gray Stan is not a possibility. Decoration is dome by marvering the colour enamels to the parison, blowing into a dip mould for the stripes, then twisting and using the dip mould again to get the contra gathering or herringnone effect.

Enamels are powdered coloured glass.

[paradisetrader]

Thanks everyone for your input
Frank I had noticed this colorway in vases which were ID'd as Nazeing, but that's all I was going on as I have so little knowledge of that company's products.

The fault is not a gap Frank, there is glass there which is almost black but in a certain light looks a definate blue.

I have looked at the vase again and have realised that the decoration is white and the glass is green so the decor looks minty green. At the base there is a thin layer of green glass without decor only noticable by looking sideways on through the base with a white background.

So that means the white enamelling is INSIDE the glass as Terry suggested. Oddly (?)  the ripples caused by the enamelled strings or ribbons can be felt from the inside.
 
Ok No, the pattern is not "hatched" but to call it Zanfirico Max could confuse the issue as it would automatically suggest Italian, which according to Geoff it may be but I don't feel it is. Herringbone as suggested by Geoff is probably the best description.

Max, apart from some flash bounce back the photos give a pretty good representation of what the pattern is actually like. The thickness of the enameling does vary if thats what you were refering to. The lines are also not straight. So I'm surprised when Geoff says

"Certainly Nazeing copied the herringbone technique used by Monart, but on the example I have seen, not as well finished." !!!!!

To me it's far from "perfect" in a number of respects and indeed from the Venetians or the Bohemians I would have expected greater accuracy ! BUT I am very green in the particular style and era, which to me could be anywhere between 1880 and 1939...but at a push I would say 1900-1920. Any opinions on this ?

Connie, The Harrtil technique uses glass fibres. I don't think glass fibre was available at this time ...was it ?but in any case I belive its enamelling as Frank says.

Decoration is dome by marvering the colour enamels to the parison, blowing into a dip mould for the stripes, then twisting and using the dip mould again to get the contra gathering or herringnone effect. Frank

Frank thanks for this concise explanation which seems to be pretty near the mark as far as I can understand it. I've never heard the word "parison" before !!! For all us dummies there are some definitions   Here

So NOT Monart, Nazeing or Gray Stan. Where does that leave us ? Italy and Bohemia ? Would they have done a polished pontil ? Neither are noted for that marker in the later half of C20.

(Emoticon for scratching head please)
Peter