Topic: gorgeous decanter original tag help with id please

[ditzen pieces]

this is a lovely piece
it has a large tear drop in the stopper. the old tag is written in french i think  :mus: i dont read french.
any help of age or maker would be apreciated
cheers lynne

[Anne]

My somewhat rusty French translates this as:

This item has been entirely decorated by hand in the style of the Master Stainers by Louis and Josette Orselly, craftspersons. They have used their skill and love so that it pleases you.

Marque depose means registered trademark

[ditzen pieces]

thankyou Anne  :fwr:
i dont spose you could put an age to it.. or any idea of quality.. it has a lovely finish and the pontil is much like that of whitefriars
anyhow your translation is much appreciated
cheers lynne

[Anne]

Sorry, Lynne, don't have a clue as to age or maker.  :cry: 

(And someone will probably correct my rusty French as well!  )

[Ivo]

Firsly, the makers are not in the Guide des Verriers, so they would be decorators.  Estanniers refers to pewter. And one Ebay.fr item (still in Google's cache) says: 

Très joli pichet en verre bullé dans le style des verreries de Biot rehaussé de motif fleural en étain, jamais utilisé et en parfait état. l'étiquette mentionne " cet objet a été décoré entièrement à la main à la façon des anciens maistres estainiers par louis et josette Orselly artisans créateurs. ils lui ont apporté avec leur savoir tout leur amour afin qu'il puisse vous plaire" pensez à la fete des mères, voilà un joli cadeau qui plaira.

which at least suggests it is from one of the decorators around the village of Biot. This would place it in the past 30 years or so - also the model seems recent.

[Anne]

I've just realised that Maistres isn't Masters, that should be Maîtres, so are the spellings archaic or is there some poetic licence? My French cousin doesn't recognise the work Estainier at all. (There is an old profession called Painter-Stainers in the UK, no idea what the French equivalent would be though, and I'm not even sure if there's a connection!)

Pewter doesn't seem to make any sense in respect of this though. The label says Estainiers not Estanniers,  and my dictionary give étain for pewter, not estain, so I'm still puzzled.

[pamela]

Oh Anne, please never give up!
The circonflexe ^stands for a S lost many many years ago: compare: forest forêt , fenêtre Fenster (window) , bâtiment Bastille, endless!

[Ivo]

in the old guild system there were maistres verriers (master glass makers) and maistres estainniers (master pewter workers). Little relation to contemporary French, I'm afraid.

[ditzen pieces]

Morning everyone
ok please say all this in a learners term as my obsession with glass is only young.. I do so appreciate the effort that is made in this site for glass id with pieces that we need information on.. it is truelly amazing the knowledge you share
thankyou
cheers lynne

[Anne]

Ahhh right, so it is an archaic usage then. My cousin wondered if it was, but she's not a historian so wasn't familiar with the terms.  Thanks for explanations Pamela and Ivo.