these two appear to be decanters - charity shop purchase which I couldn't resist, and got so carried away that I didn't see the matt ground insides of the necks, and came away without asking for the stoppers. I thought Czechoslovakian, but I only have Mark Hill's book, and I can't see them there, and then someone said Scandinavian so now I'm not sure, and grateful for any help.
details are: 17 cms. high - 11 cms. at the sidest part -- very heavy for size, and with flat polished and un-signed bases. the most distinctive feature is that at the shoulder area it is almost as tho the necks have been added separately - there is a thin incised irregular line creating a kind of join line right round the body. Many thanks Paul.