Topic: Victorian Pressed Flint Glass Compote.

[neilh]

Hi Jazz,

I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.

Neil

[traditionaljazz]

Hi Jazz,

I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.

Neil

Dear Neilh, Thank you for your reply and comments. I will reply more fully at some point shortly.  :spls:  Regards Traditional Jazz.

[traditionaljazz]

Hi Jazz,

I would be interested to see a photo of anything that might be Molineaux & Webb, particularly with a Greek Key pattern as they used it a lot. I have been following the photos on this thread, and comparing them against some images I have from the Molineaux & Webb pattern book. Your images so far do not look close to items in the pattern book, but the Oxford Tea Party item comes pretty close to some designs in the "Centre Stands" section of the book. This would also suggest the date for the Oxford item, at least, is around mid 1850s.

Neil

Dear Neilh, Thank you for your reply and surprising information.This is another observation. I have noticed that on this website. Genesis of Molineux and Webb. There is a celery vase in the greek key pattern that predates the 1865 celery vase which seems to date from 1860 this has a domed foot. I have noticed that there is a compote and another celery vase with hollow stem. The other observation is that the stem which are on the two compotes that i have. This shape seems to appear on a few molineux and webb items. Also on this website there is a green candle stick which seems to date from an earlier period. This has what seems to be a domed foot of sorts. Where there any other firms that did hollow stems and domed foot. Also it it possible to scan the page from the pattern book that you mentioned and post it on here. Still no news from Chloe of photos of the compote. Regards Traditional Jazz.

[traditionaljazz]

Dear neilh, Another observation the Green Candlestick which i have mentioned above. The domed foot of this seems to be the same shape/form as the small compote that i have. Also there seems to be some sort of bullseye decoration on this candle stick domed base. Regards Traditional Jazz.

[neilh]

Hi Jazz,

I have yet to draw any conclusions on what may or may not be Molineaux & Webb from looking at foot & stems. All I can say is that if it mid Victorian and frosted, M&W is a possibility for comports and celery vases. About 10% of their patterns used a variation of the Greek Key. Really needs a photo to form a view...

[traditionaljazz]

Hi Jazz,

I have yet to draw any conclusions on what may or may not be Molineaux & Webb from looking at foot & stems. All I can say is that if it mid Victorian and frosted, M&W is a possibility for comports and celery vases. About 10% of their patterns used a variation of the Greek Key. Really needs a photo to form a view...

                                                                                                                                                   Dear Neilh, Thank you for your reply again and comments. I think threre is some cross wires here. I do have some greek key items. Which are already in various books. What i was pointing out is what you mentioned in your first reply about the the oxford tea party compote and the two that i have posted on here. That the oxford tea party compote showed some similarties to centre stands in the M&W pattern book. Which somehow open my eyes to the following.  I was pointing out the similarties of M&W stems, domed feet and the domed foot of the green candlestick. That there seems to be some sort of similaties to the two compotes that i have posted on here.  Regards Traditional Jazz.

[traditionaljazz]

Dear Everyone at the Glass Message Board, If you see page 174 of The Art Journal Illustrated Catalogue of The Industries of All Nations 1851. There is an engraving of three compotes. Which are sitting on top of one another like a cake stand. The top one is of the same form as the small compote that i have which is being discussed here. This book described this item as an etagerer or in english a desert service. With this set was what they called a flower vase what looks like a celery vase form. In the book this is also described as cut glass by Apsley Pellatt and co London. The illustration in the book the pattern does not match the pattern of these two compotes discussed here. Although they are of the same form. I have had a look at the base of the small compote. I have noticed a u shaped end of the domed foot. I dont think it has been ground down as you see in other items of early pressed glass. Regards Traditional Jazz.

[chloe]

sorry for the delay - here are the photos.  Measurements are 9 inches diametre to top, 6 1/2 inches high, 4 6/8 inches height of base, 4 5/8 inches diametre across base

[traditionaljazz]

sorry for the delay - here are the photos.  Measurements are 9 inches diametre to top, 6 1/2 inches high, 4 6/8 inches height of base, 4 5/8 inches diametre across base

Dear Chloe, Thank you for your reply and for posting the photos here and measurements. I have a small compote whose photo is not posted here. The small compote bowl does seem to match the same design as the one you have here. I have since found out what these compotes that are being discussed here are. Which i will described my findings at some point later. Also i will post photos of the other small compote that i have at some point. Regards Tradiitonal Jazz.

[traditionaljazz]

Dear Everyone at The Glass Message Board, I have since found out what these two compotes are. If you see page 174 of The Art Journal Illustated Catalouge of The Industries of All Nations 1851 there is an engraving of a three tier compote which i have already mentioned here. Which in this book this is called a etagerer or in english a desert service. The one illustated is mentioned to be of cut glass. Which was made by Aspley Pellatt. In a much earlier period this was called a tazza. So now what these compotes are for is a desert service like the one illustrated in the above mentioned book. Except that the three being discussed here are of pressed glass. Which i think where made around the period 1850 to about 1855. It is possable to have been made by Molineux and Webb or Molineux and Company. It is also mentioned in this book that this particular company was turning out something like 15 tons or was it 25 tons of flint glass a week. So presumly flint glass could have been pressed glass. Also if you see this website  www.patternglass.com/store/CakeStands/index.htm  These are called cake stands here but are of a slightly different form. Please note the bucket shaped item sitting at the top of these cake stands. Also these are American and date from around 1880"s . Regards Traditional Jazz.