Topic: Pale green enamelled,i.d please

[keith]

6.5 inches high,smooth base,any ideas please,Keith

[Ivo]

I recognise this one - it was on this site just a few weeks ago.

I still believe that the decoration is contemporary glue from an amateur glass decoration kit - probably because the original decoration wore off.

[Lustrousstone]

I'm going to disagree with Ivo ( :kissy: ). Looks like lower-end Bohemian glass to me, late 19th/early 20th C. The decoration is often like this because gold was applied over a base yellow to give a raised effect, unfortunately it wears off really easily. Have you used your magic light on it?    Here's quick snap of a relative in uranium glass

[Galle]

Actually this ties in to a decor I've been researching - I believe this vase is by Harrach, or is at least imitating Harrach.

There is a current listing on ebay listed as Loetz Carneol (which it is not):

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260294586278&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_7066wt_852

Note the similar design elements in the enamel; however the eBay piece is not Loetz. It is Harrach - see the (marked) butterscotch colored piece in the same shape on my Harrach page (right hand side about halfway down):

http://sites.google.com/site/bohemianglassandmore/harrach

Thoughts?

[Ivo]

so how do you explain away the gluesome quality?  :huh: The uneven lines, the blobs and sagging? There is no comparison between the item questioned and the examples you present.

[Galle]

I don't explain it... I did say they may have been imitating Harrach - maybe it just didn't age well, or maybe it was re-done, as was suggested earlier (not the most likely thing, but possible, I guess). I guess it comes down to the glass itself - what kind of quality is it? I can't tell from the photo. I've seen Moser pieces where the enamel didn't age well, either.

[TxSilver]

I am also having some problems seeing the comparisons. The eBay listing appears to be a Harrach vase that was made along the line of Loetz's 19th Century satin moriage vases -- except for the marbling of the glass. Are you just referring to the enameling being thick? I have one of the satin moriage vases and the decoration is so thick that it does indeed look stuck on. I don't know how these moriage finishes are done. I had assumed they were just very heavy enamel that was fired multiple times to make it stable.

[keith]

There is no wear to the orange enamelling only some of the in-filling,no trace of any earlier design and I believe the enamel to be contemporary with the piece,the glass at the rim is 4mm thick and does not react to uv light,Keith.

[Galle]

This may sound like a strange question, so bear with me...

How does the glass "feel"? Is there a good heft to it, or is it light in weight? Is the surface kind of chalky or satinized, or is it smooth and plasticky? (or somewhere in between)? Can you show the bottom, even though it is unmarked?

[Lustrousstone]

I suspect the orange too should have some sort of gold over it. I've seen it before. Not all the "gold" used was the bright shiny stuff. There appears to have been some substitute gold enamels in use on cheaper wares.