Topic: ID Required - not whitefriars.....?

[Greg.]

Hi All,

Could anyone help me try to identify the decanter below.  I believe it is Whitefriars but am not completely sure.

Fairly heavy c.1200grams and 13 inches high.  Has a ground pontil mark to the base along with random strapping design around the lower part of the decanter.  I gather that random strapping was unique to whitefriars, although i may be wrong?

The stopper is also very reminiscent of other whitefriars stoppers I have seen, although I have been unable to find this exact example in any of their catalogues.

Any thoughts ..?

Regards,
Greg
 :chky:

[johnphilip]

105 % Not Whitefriars , sorry .jp

[Greg.]

Thanks JP, if anyone has any other thoughts, greatly appreciated.

[Max]

Odd.  It looks quite distinctive with it's same coloured strapping to the body...but I don't recognise it.   :huh:

I'll have a look thru Andy McConnells Decanter book later, but there's not a very large section for 20th Century glass...worth a try though.

[Greg.]

thanks Max, any suggestions would be appreciated, had me puzzled for a couple of weeks. :thup:

[glassobsessed]

Nice looking decanter Greg, you may have guessed by now that random strapping or trailing glass on the outside of a vessel is not unique to Whitefriars.
I am not sure that any method of production or type of decoration is unique to any glassworks anywhere, if one person can do it then somebody else will copy/use the technique or modify it in their own way. Every designer will look for ideas and inspiration somewhere.

It has often been stated that there is 'nothing new under the sun' (what a depressing idea), this in my opinion is not true, genuinely new ideas may be rare but they do occur and variation on a theme also provides variety.

John

[Greg.]

Thanks for your thoughts John, I had a feeling that random strapping wasn't exclusive to Whitefriars.  I remember reading something on the whitefriars website a few years back, which was prob a little misleading.

to quote: "Random strapping,  Another variant of trailing used in the 1960s and 70s, the strapping is deliberately ‘messy’. Unique to Whitefriars."

Perhaps they mean their 'messy' versions of random strapping was unique to Whitefriars! Anyhow as you suggest techniques are often copied or adjusted slightly by other designers/ companies. Apart from this, pretty sure I have seen this treatment elsewhere anyway. 

Back to square one, if anyone has any thoughts in terms of ID i would glad to hear them.

Thanks again.
Greg
(Rainy London Town)

[Greg.]

Not whitefriars, any ideas....?

[Max]

Nothing to do with identification, but how well does the stopper fit?  It doesn't look bad with the decanter, but I'm not sure it looks exactly right either, like it should have a solid ball stopper perhaps?

[Greg.]

The stopper fits fairly snugly, looks like they were made to go together....