Topic: Who made these pieces

[MHJ02]

The  two pieces on EBay # 280449658995 and 170431371931 being offered for sale by different sellers.   Both are described as Monart and both happen to be striped, but are they what the sellers say they are?  I'm not so sure  - and I'd really like to have a second opinion, what do you think, are they really Monart??

Many thanks
Mary

[Gary]

Hi Mary
I will keep my comments to item eBay # 170431371931. This vase/candlestick holder certainly resembles the shape GG from the Monart catalogue and colour code 307. The seller has got the description wrong, it is not aventurine decoration it is in fact silver mica.
I have been following this item and I am not  convinced that it is a piece of Monart, but you must make your own decision on it's authenticity.
Gary

[MHJ02]

I agree with your comments, Gary.   What concerned me is the way the stripes have been applied.   I have quite a few examples of striped pieces and I've never seen stripes applied quite like this one.

If anyone else would like to share their thoughts on the 2nd piece on Ebay, I'd be grateful for your thoughts.

Mary

[Frank]

The candleholder is good, quite rare and very desirable, particulatrly in this lively colour. It is GG, this shape is shown better here. http://www.ysartglass.com/Moncat/Page08vary.htm It seems that striped decoration was popular for this shape although I have seen in more conventional Monart colourings. I hope I have better images in the backlog for when that catalogue page goes on Scotlands Glass. It is amazing how image expectations and capabilities have changed in recent years. The seller has a bowl in the same colourway.

The other is from the same stable as those in row 4 on this page. http://www.ysartglass.com/Ysart/NotYsart.htm the appearance of vases has been increasing in recent years, whereas before 2000 I rarely saw anything but lampbases. Which would suggest 1950s vintage. Very resistant to identification but labelled one could well turn up before long.

Another lampbase from the same maker 220448787211

[MHJ02]

Hi Frank

I did wonder whether that vase was Bohemian, thanks for the confirmation.   It's good to know the shape GG is genuine.

By the way, the general Monart lamp base up for sale on EBay comes from me!!

Regards
Mary

[Kiwi Bill]

Hi Mary,

I agree with comments by Gary and Frank regarding Shape GG, silver mica etc etc but is it Monart???
For me, if I hadn't had this shape in my collection, I'd probably make a bid for it, as Frank states it is "quite rare".
Ebay # 280449658995 definately not Monart.


Regards

Bill

[Gary]

Update on the candlestick holder and similar decorated bowl (from same seller), candlestick holder sold for £42.41 and the bowl for £26.02, a bargain if Monart and over priced if fakes.
As an aside I requested a picture of the pontil of the candlestick holder from seller, but no reply from seller.
Gary

[nigel benson]

Hi,

Yes, I totally agree the candlestick/holder is Monart and the vase still regarded as Czech, but certainly not Monart. Both were bargains.

As for not getting a photo, when I bought from this seller I agreed to collect it from him at a venue he sells at. I paid him cash, and took it home. Then I was confonted by an eBay dispute for non-payment and non-contact - so I shouldn't take it badly Gary!! No apology when I pointed out the error either :huh:

I think a photo of the base would not have helped you anyway, since it usually ain't like any of the usual finishes.

Nigel

[Gary]

In the last couple months I have purchased my first my first GG shaped candlestick holders.
The first image below shows the dimensions, the second image ( with paper label V:GG:185) is from the Perth museum Monart collection, which has the same dimensions as my pair.
I have an image (cannot post here for copyright reasons) of the candlestick holder and there appears to be major differences in the dimensions between the mine and the striped one. Which IMHO cast doubts on the striped one being Monart.
Nigel did you ever record the sizes of the candlesick holder ?.
Gary